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Originally posted by EMPIRE
More idiocy.
Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
Originally posted by EMPIRE
More idiocy.
What a great contibution to the discussion. Lets all put our hands together for this great post.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Unlike you I've made logical contributions to the thread. However, you knew your post was idiocy when you posted it which is why you said, "I'll probably get flammed for saying this but oh
Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
I said that expecting a reply such as yours and lo and behold, your post appeared.
Maybe you could elaborate as to exactly where my statement is untrue or off base.
The descendants of slaves are free citizens of the greatest nation in the world.
They have also never been slaves.
Can you say the Africans have the same opportunities as black Americans?
So please tell me were i'm wrong.
Slavery, in the long run, has had a postive effect for blacks.
The slaves decendents now live in one of the greatest nations in the world and have oppertunities those who were left in africa will never have.
Hard price to pay, but then again those alive today did not pay it themselves, their ancestors did.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
No my friend, you've got it wrong. You were expecting someone to flame you but I've done no such thing. I'm questioning the words contained in your posts, I'm not attacking you.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
This would depend on your definition of "free" and it is your opinion that this is the greatest nation in the world.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Having never been slaves does not mean they have not experienced other hardships in the form of Jim Crow and segregation laws, denial of the right to vote, housing discrimination, racial profiling and other forms of institutional racism and deviance. How many years removed are we from the 60's? You know the time when two African American civil rights leaders were killed? You know...the time when high pressure water hoses and police dogs were used on unarmed citizens simply because they wanted to vote or ride the bus? Do you think all those people are dead?
Originally posted by EMPIRE
No, they don't have the same opportunities. Do you know why they don't have the same opportunities? Does the fact that colonialism helped ruin the continent or how the WCB and IMF helped ruin the continent have anything to do with it?
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Slavery, in the long run, has had negative effect for blacks. One such example is how blacks have no infrastructure outside of this country to rely on. I see people mentioning the Irish, or mentioning the Chinese, but these groups of people have countries and infrastructures they can rely on who will accept them as their own. What do blacks have? Where can blacks go? Most Chinese Americans can say, "I'm from this part of China" or "My ancestors are from that part of China", but can most African Americans say "My ancestors are from that part of Africa" or "I'm from this part of Africa"?
Originally posted by EMPIRE
I've addressed this, and those alive today have experienced their share of hardships and still do.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
In my opinion your post. not you, is idiocy and full of misconceptions. Hopefully this will clear it up for you.
I don't buy it my friend. From reading your posts I can tell you have a chip on your shoulder reguarding this subject matter.
This statement is idiocy. Definite chip on shoulder.
Was this thread created to discuss slavery or am I mistaken. Here you are going on about segregation and racial profiling when this threads subject is slavery, not civil rights. As for the 60s, none of those people were ever slaves and thats fact. Yes they suffered all the injustices you mentioned but they were never slaves.
Once again you are drawing subjects into a discussion on slavery, that while related, have no bearing on the subject matter of this thread.
This is complete gobblygook. I'm a white Canadian and have no foreign infrastructure to fall back on. Even most white americans have no relation to the family that stayed behind in europe.
They still have never been slaves no matter what hardships they have endured. Your are failing to prove my "misconceptions". You do remmember we are discussing slavery and not civil rights right?
You have utterly failed to point out your precieved misconceptions in my statement, or to prove they are false in any way. You choose to draw the entire history of blacks in america into a discussion on slavery. Sorry to tell you this but the 60's and the events that happend have no place in a discussion on slavery. You have cleared nothing up and have actually "muddied the water" by drawing events unrelated to slavery into this discussion.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
What you buy or don’t buy is of no concern to me. You are not a behavioral psychologist and know nothing about me to know when, and if, I have a chip on my shoulder. You’re making these false claims because you feel guilty and inadequate about your post. What’s next? You’re going to say I’m an “angry black man”? You’re going to make the claim without knowing what race or gender I am aren’t you?
Originally posted by EMPIRE
No, the statement is 100% logical as the definition of “free” has different meanings to different people. Some may say you aren’t free because you work a 9-5. Some may say you aren’t free because of the Patriot Act and Homeland Security. On the flipside, some may say you are free because you have the right to vote or no longer have to sit at the back of the bus. In regards to the greatest nation on the globe, again this is a matter of opinion as I’m sure Russians, Chinese and Japanese all feel their country is the greatest on the planet.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Do you understand causation and correlation? If so, you would know I’m talking about segregation and racial profiling because they are by-products of slavery which make them relevant to this topic. Moreover, you were the one who made the absurd claim that, “Slavery, in the long run, has had a positive effect for blacks.”, yet somehow forget the things I mentioned are negative effects of slavery. If we are going to discuss positives it is only logical to discuss the negative aspects as well. Therefore, it is highly erroneous to assume that because they weren’t slaves that somehow they don’t experience any hardships that resulted from slavery. Again, do you understand correlation and causation?
Originally posted by EMPIRE
No, once again you’re projecting, using fallacies, have no understanding about this subject and have forgotten what you’ve typed.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
It’s “gobblygook” to you because you fail to comprehend cogent posts and aren’t too familiar with race relations or sociology.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
You are a white Canadian and have White Privilege. White Americans who have no connection to their European family still have White Privilege. You can rely on this infrastructure, and do rely on this infrastructure everyday. You can go to Canada, fit right in and it will be as if you have never left because not too much cultural change would have occurred. Can the same be said for African Americans going to Africa?
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Due to your lack of knowledge, you think I’ve failed, but rest assured those with an open mind, and very basic cognitive skills, can and do understand my premise. Your statements are false, and it pains me to see that a board devoted to growth and understanding has members that are either “blind racists” or lack real world experiences outside of a 25 mile radius.
Read your own words, you come across angry. You say i'm making "false claims because you(I) feel guilty and inadequate about your(my) post"…Its my opinion that you have a chip on your shoulder because of that.
I actaully agree with you here. Problem is, as you said, freedom has different meanings to different people, its a matter of perspective in other words. So what makes your perspective correct and mine incorrect?
I still stand by my opinion that slavery ended up having a positive effect overall. You agreed black americans have better oppertunities than the people from their ancestoral homeland,.. I still consider the civil rights issues seperate to the issue of slavery, it is a by-product as you said yourself and is a subject unto itself imo.
Here you go again. Polite and civil as always. You sure you don't have that chip on your shoulder?
Again with the insults and arrogance. Maybe you have that chip on your shoulder from having a big head.
Again, gobblygook. Hate to tell you this but in Canada, we don't have a problem with black people, or asian people, or mexican poeple.
I imagine black americans would have no problem being accepted in Canada. We don't have a reputation for racial tollerance for nothing. As for white privilage, I find that idea laughable. I have no more privilage than any other Canadian no matter what race. Fact is in Canada, minorities have more privileges than white people.
I think you have well established your arrogance and intollerance by this point. You have yet to prove any statement I have made is false and…you are by far the ruddest, most intolerent, dismissive and conceted poster I have ever come across on any board.