White House Press Secretary Gibbs on UFOs

This morning on C-SPAN, White House Press Secretary Gibbs fielded an unusual question about goverment transparency. The questioner wasn't concerned with CIA reports or white house visitor logs. The latest alleged cover-up? UFOs.

Not much there, but it is something and you have to admire Ryan from Seattle! Up at 4 AM to get this in . . . . S&F for him, whoever he is.

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See this is what worries me. Everyone's asking politely (and sometimes not so nicely) for disclosure, but no one's asking to simply reopen investigations. It's the wrong demand. If there's nothing to disclose because it's all a foul-up then what's needed is scientific and governmental investigation.

This point can't be overstated.

Though I have to say I'm mighty appreciative Ryan got Gibbs on the horn to make a public comment. Hopefully that'll cause someone somewhere to sit-up and take notice.

Yeah but did you see how gibbs cleverly made the guy look like a nut job by pointing out that this guy was up at 4am ringing about ufo's.. I could see it in his smerky face..

It's about time someone nailed the Obama administration on this. Where is all that 'promised' transparency? How long does it take for the issuance of a Presidential executive order, to release 'all' government documents (in non-retracted form) relating to ufo's and aliens?

Good for the Seattle caller!

Originally posted by Larryman
It's about time someone nailed the Obama administration on this. Where is all that 'promised' transparency? How long does it take for the issuance of a Presidential executive order, to release 'all' government documents (in non-retracted form) relating to ufo's and aliens?

Good for the Seattle caller!

That was essentially Gibbs' response, we're committed to transparency.

We do need to be honest with ourselves. The UFO phenomenon is a benign one. I'd rather maintain the status quo than whip up an alien hysteria ("they're a national security threat!") to get all the facts the government knows.

I think Nick Pope is probably right. It will be disclosure in drips and drops, which is what we're seeing.

Originally posted by Ignorance Denied
Yeah but did you see how gibbs cleverly made the guy look like a nut job by pointing out that this guy was up at 4am ringing about ufo's.. I could see it in his smerky face..

I'm willing to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. If a person is willing to get up at 4 A.M. to call in about a subject that they feel strongly about (regardless of subject matter) it shows how seriously the person takes it. This is neither negative nor positive it just shows that the person feels it's truly important, which Gibbs hits on.

Originally posted by fls13

That was essentially Gibbs' response, we're committed to transparency.

I really hope the reason for the response touting "transparency" wasn't simply to score political points, but I'm sure in one way or another it was a defensive reaction to show they're sticking to their campaign promises.

We do need to be honest with ourselves. The UFO phenomenon is a benign one. I'd rather maintain the status quo than whip up an alien hysteria ("they're a national security threat!") to get all the facts the government knows.

Not everyone believes UFOs are benign. There are a number of cases where UFO sightings that have resulted in severe radiological burns, death, and the shutting down of nuclear minutemen missiles. One of the more interesting stories is Dan Sherman's supposed inside account working on Project Preserve Destiny. If he's correct, the government has participated in some manner in the abduction phenomenon.

I think Nick Pope is probably right. It will be disclosure in drips and drops, which is what we're seeing.

Again I don't think there's much if anything to disclose, other than ignorance and people fooling themselves in to thinking, to quote Hynek, "it can't be therefore it isn't."

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Originally posted by Xtraeme
I really hope the reason for the response touting "transparency" wasn't simply to score political points.

Not everyone believes UFOs are benign. There are a number of cases where UFO sightings that have resulted in severe radiological burns, death, and the shutting down of nuclear minutemen missiles. One of the more interesting stories is Dan Sherman's supposed inside account working on Project Preserve Destiny. If he's correct, the government has participated in some manner in the abduction phenomenon.

Well yes, Gibbs' job is to score political points.

There are obviously some well documented cases where encounters with UFOs didn't end well, Mantell being the most famous. Still, they are few and far between enough to label the phenomenon benign.

S&F Great find and post!

This is the kind of thing that needs to happen more often. Call, write, and fax any and every person in Government you can about UFOs. Our numbers are large. If we all did our part, it would do a lot.

Would have been nice if Gibbs said something at the end like "...but I will run this by President Obama and see what he thinks." Something as small as that would have been nice instead of the same old stonewalling. So funny how people in Government never give a straight answer about UFOs. It's always a short statement that leaves you feeling like

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Originally posted by fls13

Originally posted by Xtraeme
I really hope the reason for the response touting "transparency" wasn't simply to score political points.

Not everyone believes UFOs are benign. There are a number of cases where UFO sightings that have resulted in severe radiological burns, death, and the shutting down of nuclear minutemen missiles. One of the more interesting stories is Dan Sherman's supposed inside account working on Project Preserve Destiny. If he's correct, the government has participated in some manner in the abduction phenomenon.

Well yes, Gibbs' job is to score political points.

There are obviously some well documented cases where encounters with UFOs didn't end well, Mantell being the most famous. Still, they are few and far between enough to label the phenomenon benign.

To label the phenomenon benign would also require completely discounting all abduction reports. I'll be the first to admit I have a hard time accepting abduction stories, but if even one or two are real, then these reports are anything but benign.

Originally posted by Xtraeme
To label the phenomenon benign would also require completely discounting all abduction reports. I'll be the first to admit I have a hard time accepting abduction stories, but if even one or two are real, then these reports are anything but benign.

Well . . . now that you mention it.

S&F for him, whoever he is.

But its your thread.

I expect Obama to give the same response as Truman about UFOs.
I think it went something like: Yeah there are a lot of them out there.

A lot better than the response of Forestall to the Alien question.
Better luck to Obama.
Obama might be sticking to Earth bound problems.
I don't see Obama making a JFK and saying we are going to Mars.
The Russians are in training for the month long travel.
Can't wait to see UFOs on the way to Mars.
Now that will wake up the world.

Made it's way onto youtube: www.youtube.com...

What a lame response. Almost as lame as these:

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Originally posted by fls13

Originally posted by Xtraeme
To label the phenomenon benign would also require completely discounting all abduction reports. I'll be the first to admit I have a hard time accepting abduction stories, but if even one or two are real, then these reports are anything but benign.

Well . . . now that you mention it.

Fair enough. However we don't even need to invoke anecdotal accounts of abductions to argue against the benign nature of this phenomenon.

For instance, since there are UFO cases with numerous corroborating ground / air radar, ground / air visuals, even the most skeptically minded person who is unwilling to accept this as proof of something physically being in the air as an "Unidentified Flying Object," has to accept that these incidents affected the pilots wet-ware, their aircrafts hardware, and ground radar stations. For example, the Lakenheath / Bentwaters '56 incident, is on the record as having caused a large ruckus for the UK and the US military. That makes it an issue that could have serious repercussions in a wartime situation.

There's nothing benign about that sort of situation.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
don't see Obama making a JFK and saying we are going to Mars.
The Russians are in training for the month long travel.
Can't wait to see UFOs on the way to Mars.
Now that will wake up the world.

I think the journey is actually more like 7 months ONE WAY - not a month - unless we can get those ION and PLASMA drives on line and I mean SOON!

Just pointing out, thats all - GREAT THREAD!

Dorian Soran

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Originally posted by Dorian Soran

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
don't see Obama making a JFK and saying we are going to Mars.
The Russians are in training for the month long travel.
Can't wait to see UFOs on the way to Mars.
Now that will wake up the world.

I think the journey is actually more like 7 months ONE WAY - not a month - unless we can get those ION and PLASMA drives on line and I mean SOON!

Just pointing out, thats all - GREAT THREAD!

Dorian Soran

[edit on 24-7-2009 by Dorian Soran]

They did have an ion craft to be built in space.
An animation of the design and showing it working.

Perhaps that is why they had a training chamber with
only one month.
Excellent TV show on Russia.
Yeah training is the thing that makes success.

Hopefully this link works.

Chris Mathews on Hardball making a comment on the Gibbs comment.

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You're on a roll FLS! Very nice finds! I only wish Chris Matthews was less dismissive. One of the biggest problems facing ufology is that it's largely viewed as a damned conspiracy. If we could disassociate UFOs from the idea of conspiracy cover-up it would be better for everyone.

Originally posted by Xtraeme
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You're on a roll FLS! Very nice finds!

I only wish Chris Matthews was less dismissive. One of the biggest problems facing ufology is that it's largely viewed as a damned conspiracy. If we could disassociate UFOs from the idea of conspiracy cover-up it would be better for everyone.

The government lied, the government covered up . . . that's been proved. What about is the mystery.

Originally posted by fls13

Originally posted by Xtraeme
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You're on a roll FLS! Very nice finds!

I only wish Chris Matthews was less dismissive. One of the biggest problems facing ufology is that it's largely viewed as a damned conspiracy. If we could disassociate UFOs from the idea of conspiracy cover-up it would be better for everyone.

The government lied, the government covered up . . . that's been proved. What about is the mystery.

There are isolated incidents of lies and then in other instances we may simply be dealing with people who have misspoken. The only significant lie the US has been caught in was Roswell and based on the GAO report it appears the lie was to cover Mogul balloons.

Using that as a guide I think it's safe to say if there are additional lies it's very likely to cover TS aircrafts. So therefore it would be better for people who think UFOs represent truly incredible phenomenon to separate the cover-up component from requests for additional studies in to the UFO phenomenon.

If we want traction on this subject we have to be smart. The public at large will not buy in to the conspiracy angle. It's the easiest thing to ridicule.