HPD: Man, 74, Shoots Carjacker, 18

reply to post by ninecrimes


If someone threatens you or your property, go for it!

I say GREAT, FIGHT BACK!

Don't let anyone intrude on your rights or endanger your life, or abuse your property.

Originally posted by axehappy

Originally posted by ninecrimes
So if you woke up in the middle of the night to a robber in your house, who did NOT present a gun... you would just pretend like you were asleep and let him leave with your things even if you DID have a gun?

Sorry, but that's not "humane". That's cowardice.

That's not what I said at all... I would confront anyone who broke into my home, ESPECIALLY if I did have a gun.

I would hope that the gun would scare him off if he was unarmed... it would certainly deter me in that situation.
If he had a weapon, and threatened me, I'd shoot him.

I wouldn't shoot him if he tried to escape without harming me though. That's called murder... not self defence.

Well spoken man!

reply to post by liquidsmoke206


Actually it happens quite oftenly.. Just it's never reported on. See the media literally doesn't want to report anything good about guns, because then we would have a reason to keep them rather than following in our European brother's paths.

For about every one gun crime.. four crimes will be stopped with the use of a gun. That will probably rise as more people own guns.

reply to post by StevenDye


As much as I think life is better than a car.. Its the simple fact that, this was a violent person. It will NOT stop at one car. Eventually someone is going to get hurt or some woman raped by this person. I think more is gained if a civilian stands up to the criminal.

Anyways, this 18 year old sure as hell learned his lesson. Hopefully, hes smart enough to see that.. Crime only pays until you get shot by an old man.

Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by ninecrimes

 

If someone threatens you or your property, go for it!

I say GREAT, FIGHT BACK!

Don't let anyone intrude on your rights or endanger your life, or abuse your property.

I agree, unless you know the intruder is unarmed (i.e., runs out once confronted). At that point, shooting them is going to accomplish nothing but tearing apart the guy's family over his death. No car or anything is worth that much.

reply to post by Donnie Darko


Hey, Dark, how are you doing?

Yes, I totally agree, but that young punk was threatening an old man - the youndg guy was a coward and a bully and the old man was brave.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by StevenDye

 

As much as I think life is better than a car.. Its the simple fact that, this was a violent person. It will NOT stop at one car. Eventually someone is going to get hurt or some woman raped by this person. I think more is gained if a civilian stands up to the criminal.

By that logic, doesn't that mean anyone who commits a crime deserves death?

Idk, I just see this type of thinking as scary. Wouldn't empowering the communities these gangsters come out of do better than simply shooting them all and saying "probbem solved"?

Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by Donnie Darko

 

Hey, Dark, how are you doing?

Yes, I totally agree, but that young punk was threatening an old man - the youndg guy was a coward and a bully and the old man was brave.

True ... did the kid have a knife or something? I guess the old man didn't KNOW what he might do. Now if the kid ran away and he shot him in revenge, I would call that second or third degree murder.

reply to post by Donnie Darko


You don't have to shoot them. You can just stick the gun in their face, call the police and let them handle it. It doesn't have to actually be violent, but letting them take the car isn't going to fix anything. It's only goingto give them money, and this case they would have got a gun to rob people even easier.

reply to post by Donnie Darko


What that old guy knew was that he was faced with a desperate person who did not care if he lived or died (the old man I mean), so I do not blame the old man for his reaction. He was just trying to survive.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by Donnie Darko

 

You don't have to shoot them. You can just stick the gun in their face, call the police and let them handle it. It doesn't have to actually be violent, but letting them take the car isn't going to fix anything. It's only goingto give them money, and this case they would have got a gun to rob people even easier.

Ah okay. Gotcha.

reply to post by St Vaast


It has nothing to do with the U.S. In Spain it is the same way regarding not being able to defend yourself. If you hit too hard the thief/robber, you will get in trouble and not them, and if you see someone trying to break in into your car, you are not supposed to confront them, but instead just call the police....

In Spain, back in the 80s people living in rural areas still had rifles, but with the Socialist party taking power after 4/11, things have changed even much worse than before.

In Spain, just like most, if not all European countries they like to show how "violent Americans are", but they try to hide the violence in Europe.

I still remember seeing junkies in the streets of Spain getting high right in front of everyone. I also remember a young girl, who was around 9-11 years old, she was going to buy a pastry with a few "pesetas" she had, and an 18 year old thief, who was also a girl stabbed the little girl in the heart with a wooden stake just for a few pesetas. This happened half a block from the apartment where I was living in with my parents.

I also remember junkies puting their HIV infected syringes by the dozens with the needles sicking out and buried in the sand so that people could't see them. The authorities in Spain had to bulldoze an entire beach to get those syringes out. Not to mention that in Europe violence erupts in soccer games, and people are even killed in the violence. you barely see this in the U.S., but in European countries like Spain it happens quite frequently.

Europeans like to give an image that they are more "civilized" and less "violent" when that is not true.




[edit on 25-7-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

My cousin had his car stolen one time. The guy was found driving it in downtown Chicago at 2 AM. The week before the trial, he tried to carjack an off duty cop. He will NEVER steal another car, it might have something to do with the HUGE hole in his face.

Good! This is why its good that each and everyone of us can have a gun if we so choose! I live in a kind of bad area and there are criminals and gangbangers like this around here and they have weapons so I'll have weapons too to defend my family!

Good for this man!

[edit on 25-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it does suck that this kid robbed this man, but on the other hand - this seems like downright revenge to me, unless his life was threatened.

If the kid was unarmed, I see it as an act of revenge. Carjackers should be punished, but not with their life. Even Singapore doesn't execute people for carjacking. Do we really want to allow people to kill people merely for stealing things?

[edit on 25-7-2009 by Donnie Darko]

The kid was armed. Look at the OP. Second paragraph. It says quite clearly...

Baltazar, wearing a ski mask, put a knife to Peters' throat and told the man to hand over his keys.

Sounds like he was armed to me and the elderly man had every reason to think his life was in danger.



[edit on 25-7-2009 by Frogs]

reply to post by ninecrimes



Im glad he shot the scum,,,,,those car jackers are very dangerous!

huggs everyone

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it does suck that this kid robbed this man, but on the other hand - this seems like downright revenge to me, unless his life was threatened.

If the kid was unarmed, I see it as an act of revenge. Carjackers should be punished, but not with their life. Even Singapore doesn't execute people for carjacking. Do we really want to allow people to kill people merely for stealing things?

I have sympathy for both of them, and also for neither of them. TBH both of em seem like lowlifes. That's what's wrong with society, people killing people for stuff, and people not respecting other peoples' property.

[edit on 25-7-2009 by Donnie Darko]

Repeat after me:

Knife to the throat Knife to the throat Knife to the throat

The teen attacker didnt just walk up and say "hey, Im going to take your car, he threatened the old man with a knife to the throat.

At that point, its "game on" and the kid got what he had coming to him.

Under those circumstances I could EASILY live the rest of my life knowing I did the right thing even if it took the life of said scumbag.