Irrefutable Proof for Moon Landing - SEQ Bay Pendulum

The Apollo 14 Scientific Equipment (SEQ) Bay Pendulum provides irrefutable proof for being filmed at 1/6 g on the lunar surface. During the ALSEP Offload from the SEQ bay Ed Mitchell is lowering the ALSEP package with a pulley. He releases a tape (at ca. 40 s) that starts to swing like a pendulum. The SEQ bay pendulum makes 18 periods in 86 seconds before being disturbed, which implies a period of 4.8 s. Because the period (P) depends on the length of the pendulum (L) and the gravity (g), as giv

I did a search on ATS about this but didn't come up with anything about this.
Based on the vid and the math.. this looks to me like irrefutable proof man was on the moon.. we don't even need the recent lunar images.. this video says it all.



I'd like someone to refute it mathematically or otherwise...

You can also see that the jerky swing itself never steadys out from the initial snag, it would have done in "normal" gravity.
Great find, don't think it will shut up the no-mooners though.Maybe there is more stuff like that around, somewhere.

You call that irrefutable???. Like there's no way that could have been faked????????

Looks like NASA is getting desperate.

I have never said we have not been to the moon... I have said we did not achieve a moon landing with the Apollo program. radation would have fried everyone.... unless, someone can show me how you can stop XRAY - GAMMA ray radation with a light weight shielding ... the only way I know of getting through the van allen radation belts is using a magnetic field ... and I think that was not included in the Apollo program... I can be wrong... and it would not be the first time...

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Like there's no way that could have been faked????????

Huh??

It wasn't planned!! Ed Mitchell didn't start the thing swinging on purpose, he detached a piece of equipment, and the lanyard started to swing!!!

It was the sharp eye catch by someone to find it, and do the math.

AND...not only does the math not lile, but the lack of any air resistance is evident as well!

How can you immediately jump to "NASA must be getting desperate"??
That is not logical.

If you want to do some more math, look up the specifications of the LM, especially the Ascent Stage engine thrust parameters, and its mass. Calculate from that to find that the vehicle was designed to operate in the 1/6th gravity of the Moon, not the Earth's 1g.

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...radation would have fried everyone.... unless, someone can show me how you can stop XRAY - GAMMA ray radation with a light weight shielding...

This is a favorite canard of the "hoaxists" handbook. I've already shown, in other threads, why the VAB aren't instantly lethal. Others have as well.

The actual figure someone else presented was the dosage of the travel through the VAB was about 7 rem, if you stayed in them for one hour unprotected in any way. The passage took only a few minutes for the strongest portion, and they planned the trip through the thinnest parts possible.

BTW, according to a Google search, you will find that the average dose of radiation on an American, on Earth, is about 360 mrem/year. SO....the 7 rem = 7000 mrem, the dosage for one hour in the Belts. Five minutes at that rate is about 583 mrem. Certainly, higher than normal, but other than an increase in cataract occurences in Astronauts, no other major health issues.

Radiation exposure is not "instant death"!

Found some things to cite:

Radiation doses measured during Apollo were significantly lower than the yearly average of 5 rem

set by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission for workers who use radioactive materials in factories and institutions across the United States. Thus, radiation was not an operational problem during the Apollo Program. Doses received by the crewmen of Apollo missions 7 through 17 were small because no major solar-particle events occurred during those missions. One small event was detected by a radiation sensor outside the Apollo 12 spacecraft, but no increase in radiation dose to the crewmen inside the spacecraft was detected.

lsda.jsc.nasa.gov...

Ionizing radiation and heat

Challenges and responses

1. The astronauts could not have survived the trip because of exposure to radiation from the Van Allen radiation belt and galactic ambient radiation (see radiation poisoning). Some hoax theorists have suggested that Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear testing in 1962) was a failed attempt to disrupt the Van Allen belts.

The Moon is ten times higher than the Van Allen radiation belts. The spacecraft moved through the belts in just 30 minutes, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the aluminium hulls of the spacecraft. In addition, the orbital transfer trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure. Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions. Plait cited an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years. The spacecraft passed through the intense inner belt in a matter of minutes and the low-energy outer belt in about an hour and a half. The astronauts were mostly shielded from the radiation by the spacecraft. The total radiation received on the trip was about the same as allowed for workers in the nuclear energy field for a year.

The radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts went to the Moon. Irene Schneider reports that thirty-three of the thirty-six Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have developed early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip. However, only twenty-four astronauts left Earth orbit. At least thirty-nine former astronauts have developed cataracts. Thirty-six of those were involved in high-radiation missions such as the Apollo lunar missions.

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Thats not irrefutable evidence.

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What isn't?

The period of a pendulum?

You did know that Galileo used pendular motion as part of his study of the Earth's gravitational force, didn't you?

The time for one complete cycle, a left swing and a right swing, is called the period. From its discovery around 1602 by Galileo Galilei the regular motion of pendulums was used for timekeeping, and was the world's most accurate timekeeping technology until the 1930s. Pendulums are used to regulate pendulum clocks, and are used in scientific instruments such as accelerometers and seismometers.

Historically they were used as gravimeters to measure the acceleration of gravity in geophysical surveys, and even as a standard of length. The word 'pendulum' is new Latin, from the Latin pendulus, meaning 'hanging'.

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Gravity
Pendulums are affected by changes in gravitational acceleration, which varies by as much as 0.5% at different locations on Earth, so pendulum clocks have to be recalibrated after a move. Even moving a pendulum clock to the top of a tall building can cause it to lose measurable time from the reduction in gravity.

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Gravity measurement
The presence of the acceleration of gravity g in the periodicity equation for a pendulum means that the local gravitational acceleration of the Earth can be calculated from the period of a pendulum. A pendulum can therefore be used as a gravimeter to measure the local gravity, which varies by about 0.5% at different points on the surface of the Earth. The pendulum in a clock is disturbed by the pushes it receives from the clock movement, so freeswinging pendulums were used, and were the standard instruments of gravimetry up to the 1930s.

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Just showing video from NASA isnt irrefutable proof of anything. Its another point worth debating but as evidence its flimsy at best.

There is not just one pendulum example:

Irrefutable Proof for Moon Landing - Lunar Gravity
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