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Originally posted by Keyhole
Originally posted by 1 4M 7H3 1
I am sorry to say that the TARP bailout was necessary...If we did allow all of those banks to fail, complete chaos and extreme catastrophe would have ensued.
I understand we actually couldn't let them fail, but why the rush to give them soooo much money that THEY can't even use?
There's the problem I have with this!
Why did TARP have to give them so much money that these banks now have "a record $877.1 billion" in reserve at the Fed Res?
Seems a little "over the top" to me!
Now they just get to collect interest on this money while it sits there!
Also, doesn't the Fed Res make "investments" with this money?
Seems like a win, win situation for them!
They got to print the money, it all is supposedly going to be paid back, then the Fed Res gets to keep this money "in reserve" for these banks who got these TARP funds, and invest it as they see fit, making tons of money!
Pretty sweet deal if you ask me!
[edit on 7/22/2009 by Keyhole]
Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by 1 4M 7H3 1
And thats exactly what they wanted you to think,so they could monopolize the market and buy up financial institutions and force though a more central world bank ie the IMF that have killed tens of millions of Africans through their actions and have them in a grip of perpetual debt.Its nothing but a giant scam run by gangsters when you strip away all the layers.All you need to do is look at the source of the monetary system,forget all the financial *talk*.If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with BS.
[edit on 22-7-2009 by Solomons]
Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by 1 4M 7H3 1
are saying that the original Paulson engineered TARP plan did indeed prevent a massive meltdown but that that was done by transferring money from the treasury to the banks with no intention of it going into circulation? so it was a more david copperfield type of illusion than repair job?
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by getreadyalready
Amigo, The lady is no liar and nether am I. The story is absolutely true. Since she's sitting right her next to me as I post this she's a bit put out.
Zindo
Originally posted by memarf1
Okay, I have been reading this blog for a while now with the advice from GetReadyAlready and him and I have disagreed on a few things. Well, finally I have joined so here I am.
First, Money deposited with the FED does not earn interest. Plus, any profits after expenses the FED gets go directly to the U.S. Treasury. So the FED cannot be paying banks to not loan money.
Second, it makes sense for the excess reserves to increase, I don't know how much they should have gone up but the fact is that the banks have more money and thus if demand doesn't increase proportionately then the excess reserves will increase. So, while I agree that the banks are hoarding the money out of fear, maybe the amount of the bailout was close to correct, or maybe even a bit too big. Obviously supply is exceeding demand right now. Plus, since people are getting foreclosed on and such and losing their jobs, they don't qualify as easily as they could have last year, making demand less than before.
To recap, banks are scared so loaning requirements are higher, foreclosures and unemployment are high so less people qualify. All of this makes perfect sense in the Supply and Demand framework. But, there is no conspiracy on this one.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated that payment of interest on reserve balances would cost the American taxpayers about one tenth of the present 0.25% interest rate on $800 billion in deposits.
Also on January 13, Financial Week said Mr. Bernanke admitted that a huge increase in banks' excess reserves is stifling the Fed's monetary policy moves and its efforts to revive private sector lending.
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by getreadyalready
Amigo, The lady is no liar and nether am I. The story is absolutely true. Since she's sitting right her next to me as I post this she's a bit put out.
Zindo
Originally posted by memarf1
First, Money deposited with the FED does not earn interest. Plus, any profits after expenses the FED gets go directly to the U.S. Treasury. So the FED cannot be paying banks to not loan money.
While policy makers would like credit markets to recover, they don’t want banks to lend that cash out all at once as the economy improves, because that could unleash inflation, said William Poole, former president of the St. Louis Fed. So the central bank is counting on its ability to pay interest on those reserves to help keep a lid on prices.
Release Date: October 6, 2008
For release at 8:15 a.m. EDT
The Federal Reserve Board on Monday announced that it will begin to pay interest on depository institutions' required and excess reserve balances. The payment of interest on excess reserve balances will give the Federal Reserve greater scope to use its lending programs to address conditions in credit markets while also maintaining the federal funds rate close to the target established by the Federal Open Market Committee.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by getreadyalready
Amigo, The lady is no liar and nether am I. The story is absolutely true. Since she's sitting right her next to me as I post this she's a bit put out.
Zindo
Well, tell her I'm sorry! I see the other poster's point about not wanting to loan on low interest rates, but why not just offer a little higher rate. I still don't see how she would get flat turned away?
If that is true, then the banking and auto industry are going down in flames! OK, we already knew that part.
They should have stuck with decreasing the discount rate and should charge them for too many excess reserves not offer interest for those deposits.
Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
Originally posted by mikerussellus
Please forgive the ignorance, but what does that mean for us? "We the Peons..."
I do know it isn't good, but in basic nut and bolts, how will the average american be affected?
Let me illuminate the things going on in the back ground.
The end result will hyperinflation, a crashed stock market,
and crashed bond market, and no one accepting dollars
for the many things we used to import.
Now I present the evidence for these statements.
It has been confirmed by other news sources now that the
$134 billion in US bonds were likely real, and the japanese
men sneaking them around were likely japanese ministry of finance.
If that is true and they are trying to quietly dump them on the
market and other countries start doing it, we don't have long and
it is likely the trigger event for the Wall street journals mentioned
upcoming nationwide bank shutdown.
*** The two below say that the two japanese men stopped
with supposedly fake bonds were released...And if they
had been fake they would have broken the law and be
held on counterfeiting charges.
This says the japanese are dumping US bonds secretly
to get off the ship before it goes beneath the waves...
www.freerepublic.com...
market-ticker.denninger.net...
*** Below says US foreign Embassys are being told to horde
1 years worth of non-US currency due to a possible
lengthy banking shutdown.
www.marketwatch.com...
Speaking of shutdown, 7 banks in one day went poof...
www.fdic.gov...
FDIC top level official says bank closures to increase 10 fold.
moneynews.newsmax.com...
The unofficial troubled bank list as of 30 march 2009 ( 4 months old )
It is worse now than the march list shows.
bankimplode.com...
Over 1,000 Trillion in derivatives are set to implode.
theinternationalforecaster.com...
There is more going on, but with this Triumvirate of Destruction
the rest just becomes piling on.
Prepare accordingly !
Good Luck to you all !