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Health Care Reform

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posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 04:36 PM
Health care reform

Here in the US, the Democratic party is gung ho to revise heath care for the nation. As a nation, we have 40-50 million people that are currently without health insurance. To me, that means that we have 240-250 million people that currently have health insurance.

But health care reform is one of the items that the Obama administration is pushing forward. I am not opposed to revising health care but what I worry about is a massive change in how health care is delivered not only for people that currently are uninsured but also those who have health insurance.

I think that before any big changes are made permanent by our politicians that we should have pilot programs developed to see what works and what doesn’t. That way we as a nation can figure out how to best provide for our uninsured without adversely affecting those of us who have insurance.

I’d also like to see the tax payer’s money spend in a fashion that gives back the most bang for the buck in terms of health care for the uninsured. I think that the Feds could start by opening some urgent care facilities in major population centers. The urgent care facilities would be free for those who are uninsured. This would immediately decrease the financial burden from hospitals that operate emergency rooms that are often inundated with the uninsured because the uninsured have no place to seek medical treatment. Emergency rooms should be for true emergencies not because you’ve got a tummy ache and you can’t afford another doctor.

In areas with high illegal immigrant populations the urgent care facilities should also provide labor and delivery for babies. Hospitals with emergency rooms should not have to provide a service to illegal’s who will not pay for the services. Right now, this is a huge problem in California with a number of emergency rooms having closed near the border with Mexico.

The Feds could offer to pay back medical school loans for doctors who would agree to staff these urgent care facilities for some reasonable period of time like 5 years. Good deal for the doctors, free med school, good deal for the government low cost doctors.

The government could also limit patient lawsuits at the government run urgent care facilities to any additional care necessary due to their negligence. This would reduce malpractice insurance issues.

Just curious what your thoughts on the whole idea of revising health care system and how as a nation we could actually improve our care while reducing costs.

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 04:54 PM
Dear the health care Reform that the Democrats is trying to shove up our butts, is nothing but the biggest tax increased that this nation has ever seen.

We will be penalized and our wages levy to pay for it we wanted of not.

Democrats Offer Health care Bill With Tax Hikes—And Mandates

People have no clue what is heading our way, still all those poor people on Medicare that doesn't' work will no be covered in this bill, because the government is targeting employed people first and businesses.

So if you work you will be forced to pay for the health care but if you don't work is not way still that you can pay or afford it.

In all, the draft House bill runs more than 1,000 pages

As usual our intelligent deprived congress will no read any of it.

Financing would come from a federal surtax on the upper income—up to 5.4 percent on the income of taxpayers making more than $1 million a year—as well as hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts in projected Medicare and Medicaid spending.

As you see free it is not and we all have to pay for it, bringing the nations deficit worst that is right now.

The legislation calls for an additional tax of 1 percent levied on those couples earning more than $350,000. Those with $500,000 in income would pay an extra 1.5 percent, according to the legislative documents.

He is playing Robin hood with the small business holders in the nation.

Individuals who refused to buy affordable coverage would be assessed as much as 2.5 percent of their adjusted gross income, up to the cost of an average health insurance plan, according to the legislation.

And as usual we the tax payer will be penalized and gouge more.

This bill is nothing but a farce to keep the tax payer more and more in debt.

[edit on 17-7-2009 by marg6043]

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 05:00 PM
reply to post by marg6043

I agree with what you're saying.

That's why I think that any reform should wait until it's been modeled in a few cities and if and only if it's successful should they ramp it up for the nation.

You might need to try a variety of different things before you can get a workable mix for our nation.

I do not believe that a group of politicians can get together produce a 1000 page document and think that it will in any way benefit us as a country.

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 05:01 PM
I'm not really one to whore out my own threads, but I just made one today that sort of dissects why Health Care costs are so high.

I'm of the mind that to fix something you have figure out why it broke in the first place. Sort of like if a tire blows out on your car, you don't fix the radio.

So I put this thread together in attempt to diagnose what happen to cause all the problems.

Here is the thread

I tried to be unbiased, and also included some extra links at the bottom. Mainly what I found out though is that the government and special interest is at fault for all of it.

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 05:03 PM
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

I'm off to read what you wrote.

I thought about posting this as I was driving around doing errands.

Take care.

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 05:06 PM
reply to post by Wildbob77

Even when it seems to be targeting the wealthy in the nation to pay for those the bill it is not, we all will be penalized if we don't get it as long as you work.

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 06:24 PM
Looks like everyone beat me to the punch on this one. I've been picking through the problems with this bill for some time. And they added more to it at midnight last night.
This bill will end up costing every working person in America. They can say all they want about taxing the top 1%, but this will amount to "trickle down taxation." The Dems, with Pelosi and Whorehouse Harry at the helm are taking us straight down the road to socialism. Of course the are getting their marching orders from Obama.
Write, email, and call your congressmen. Tell them what you think, and demand an accounting to the communication for or against. Then we will know if our elected officials are following the will of the people, or just doing whatever the hell they want to do.

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 06:52 PM
reply to post by kettlebellysmith

I think that it's time for all Americans to write their politicians and let them know that any health care reform needs to be carefully studied and entered into slowly.

We don't want to destroy what we have for something that may or may not work.

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 07:11 PM
reply to post by Wildbob77

Good thread S&F for you!

That's why I think that any reform should wait until it's been modeled in a few cities and if and only if it's successful should they ramp it up for the nation.

To test it in cities isn't a real test of the system. The problem is how large it will be and how impossible it will be for the government to control it. The bureaucracy will be so enormous that it will be like a black hole, sucking our economy and freedoms down into the vastness of nothingness.

To see how it really works take a look at Britain's system and all of it's problems. Here is a site that has links to different news stories about "The Problems with
Socialized Health Care" found here:

This one stuck out to me the most
Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage

posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 07:14 PM
reply to post by axiomuser

Agreed, we don't need the British system.

I think that if we're going to change the system, that it needs to be studied for more than a couple of weeks by politicians.

I do think that we need to model different ways of taking care of people before we try to ramp it up to take care of the nation.

Hopefully, I'll stay healthy and not have to be in the system.

posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 05:23 PM
How about this. You will all agree to any health care reform that the Congress of the United States puts themselves under.
Unfortunately this is not it. The bill clearly states that everyone will be affected but Congress. They get to keep their health care.
Chew on that for a while and let me know if you can all agree on it.

posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 12:16 PM
Harry Reid says that there will be no vote before August.

There is at least a little time to review the 1000 pages of the bill.

I don't think this should be rushed. I think that it should be reviewed until all the kinks are worked out.

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