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A society of secret lists and snoopers (anyone worried about being gangstalked in the UK?)

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posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 04:12 PM

A society of secret lists and snoopers

Take the case of Jane Clift, a former care worker from Slough, who was threatened by a drunk she saw trampling flowers in a park. The police advised her to tell the council, which was campaigning for people to report anti-social incidents. After several phone calls and a letter of complaint, because Miss Clift felt her case was not being taken seriously, she was devastated to receive a letter from the council telling her that she'd been put on a register of potentially violent persons. She was deemed a "medium"-level threat – the same as a sex offender. Local organisations, including hospitals, libraries and schools, were alerted to her status so that she became, in her words, a "pariah", and left the city.

It took her four years to clear her name. Last month, a jury awarded her £12,000 in libel damages after finding that what had been recorded by Slough council officials about Mrs Clift "was not true".

These are the high-profile cases. There are tens of thousands more that remain secret – names on lists that are ticking time bombs. The "lives of others" has become the increasing pre-occupation of officialdom, and none of us should sleep easier for it.

It seems the amount of people being gangstalked in the UK is growing. There are various organisations, both private and public, that have been allowed to access government databases to submit details of targeted individuals or receive alerts of their presence.

Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA)

It does not mean that an individual has committed a crime or is suspected of one to be designated as potentially dangerous. There does not seem to be a defined criteria used in identifying an individual as dangerous. However the RIPA Act may illustrate the probable processes used in the initial invocation of the surveillance and its sustenance. It seems to be reliant upon the judgement of a senior civil servants, school principles, private security management, military officers, municipal authority middle management, public transport managers and park rangers.etc.

To give some apparent moderation to this legislation, local committees known as Quangos conduct annual reviews of targeted individuals. More interestingly, the activities are kept secret particularly from the victims of this control system.

Here is a link to letters sent to one local authority, under the FIOA, that has used the RIPA act to investigate citizens;

This does not include other agencies and individuals making use of this legislation in the city. There could multiple teams of volunteers and professionals conducting surveillance operations on the same patch targeting individuals and be wholly unrelated to police or security services activities.

Here is another quasi governmental agency seeking RIPA powers;

Application for extension of powers under RIPA Act 2000

The Gambling Commission has applied to the Home Office for an extension of its powers to obtain communications data under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000. The Gambling Act 2005 gives the Commission extensive legal powers to investigate and prosecute a range of criminal offences related to gambling.

Increasing the Commission's current powers to obtain communications data will allow it to undertake this new work effectively, while recognising the importance of safeguarding individual privacy. The Commission's application is being considered alongside applications from other public bodies and will be debated in the House of Lords on 19 June and in the House of Commons on 29 June.

The Commission has published a policy paper setting out the rationale for the extension of the Commission's access to communications data, the circumstances in which this new power will be used, and the safeguards put in place to protect the privacy of individuals. The paper can be downloaded from the ‘Policy and research' section of this website.

Clarification of whether the target is an individual or a criminal gang seems to absent. If it a crime gang I would expect the police to investigate, if it is an individual organising a weekend poker game, it's overkill.

Here is a course available to volunteers on how to conduct surveillance under the RIPA Act;

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Content: Surveillance Law is a generic term which incorporates various legislation which
governs the way the public sector carries out surveillance. The main Act is the Regulation of
Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA). The following courses concentrate on this but also
look at other legislation such as the Data Protection Act 1998(DPA).

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1. Full Day Surveillance Law RIPA Workshop
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5. Email and Internet monitoring

We set out below some examples of RIPA/Surveillance Law course outlines. These can
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1. Full Day Surveillance Law RIPA Workshop
A workshop on the law which applies to surveillance of people, premises and
communications. This course will help you prepare for an OSC inspection.
The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA) and the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2002 (RIPSA) govern the way the public sector (e.g. police, councils, fire, ambulance and NHS) does surveillance on people, premises and communications. This
interactive course, packed full of case studies, will explain RIPA and RIPSA in detail, as well as examine related legislation such as the Human Rights Act 1998 and the Data Protection Act 1998.

Basically with this act, a paramedic on an emergency call to your house can come back a week later to snoop on your garden because he was not sure if you are recycling or not. It is his job to snoop and will refer the matter to a senior officer to invoke the RIPA Act or some other secret legislation.

[edit on 053131p://pm3122 by masonwatcher]

posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 04:27 PM
reply to post by masonwatcher

I'll admit I don't know much of anything about the legal and police system in the UK, but why was this ever anything more than a police issue? And wasn't Mrs. Clift just as guilty as the council for trying so hard to get this fellow put on a list of "anti-social" people?

It is hard to fully grasp this story without the details. Her letters may well have offended someone. Not that that makes what happened to her ok, but if she was being rude, she would qualify as anti-social herself, yeah?

I think the whole idea of "troublemaker lists" is bad juju.

posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 05:05 PM
reply to post by rogerstigers

One person's trouble maker is another's Mahatma Ghandi.

posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 05:22 PM
Nice post, s & f'd.

To us in the U.K, the described event and many others like it are not that unusual. Over the past decade or so the dividing line between the social roles and responsibilities of services provided by the police, local councils and (increasing numbers of) appointed busybodies (like traffic wardens, special constables, litter wardens, wheel-clampers, wheelie bin marshals, inspectors of this-that-and-the-other etc...) have become very, very blurred. Couple this blurring with the general British attitude that it's wrong to complain (and that complainers exist to be mocked for their perceived expressed mental instability) and you have one extremely vicious cocktail that gives many nasty hang-overs to the little folk and gives much more power to civil "servants" than they should ever wield.

We suffer so many ambiguous laws, and the different arms of government have been given so many responsibilities, that no one knows who's supposed to do what. It (the snooping, the attacking of those who defend their rights and habitat) will not stop for a long time yet; and when it does it'll take a long time for the British people to lose their fear and distrust of government and all its minions.

Don't misunderstand, there are backbones in Britain; but we're so few and far between that we can't move for the weight above us.

Edited: spelling mistake.

[edit on 15/7/09 by Rapacity]

posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 06:22 PM
reply to post by Rapacity

Wow. Talk about a hell of a fall. There was a time when England was a powerful empire. Now it is just a beaurocracy...

posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:32 AM
I never knew about this. Completely disgusting and shocking. Let me get this right, if you make a official complaint, or annoy councils, you are put on a list as potentially violent. Lmao.

So the UK is not a police state.. The Article says it all !!!

Flagged and Starred. I flagged this because I think it is important for us all to start opening our eyes in the UK, towhat the Authorities are doing to us.

[edit on 16-7-2009 by Laurauk]

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