Obama is a citizen of kenya..with actual laws to back it up.

Originally posted by skeetontheconspiracy
I'm sick of this argument. every other dya there is a new thread about Nobama not being a legal citizen.
He probably isnt a legal citizen. Your commander in chief is not a US national. He is ineligible to be President.
Yeah well get over it.
You know it, I know it, Nobama knows it. But a sad fact is, nothing can be done about it but whine and complain that does no good.
You want change, vote against him in 2012.
Cause we can't do anything about it unless you're planing osmehting with a rifle, and even then that won't get anything done(secret Service is too good at what they do) but sending you to prison.

 

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What do you mean nothing can be done! Watch what happens when the whole country finds out the truth, and it gets on the MSM. I personally don't think it will but he would be on the street faster than Treason.

Right now it is not that big an issue because I am sure that more than half the country has no Idea this is going on.


[edit on 16/7/09 by xyankee]

[edit on 16/7/09 by xyankee]

reply to post by xyankee

Watch what happens when the whole country finds out the truth, and it gets on the MSM.

In general I think the 'no one line post rule' is a good one but in this case I think it should be overlooked because the only thing I would like to respond with is:



However to avoid being scolded I will ask what will happen?

reply to post by xyankee


Holy @#$% xyankee take some Xanax. Then take some Ginko so that maybe you can see that Obama doesn't have to show proof of diddly squat. I mean that is what the whole argument boils down to, some people think that the Pres should not have any 14th amendment rights and want to be able to comb through everything in his life until they find something they can hang him with. Guess what? Everyone has something like that in their lives, we aren't going to open up for you either.

Now IF you can find something he did wrong bring it forward, but do not sit there and argue that because he hasn't brought forth proof that he is on the up and up he must be a dirty rotten scoundrel. (Yes a movie reference, I am just full of references)

reply to post by xyankee

Learn how to spell! or at least use a spell check

?? Jus soli??? that CAN'T be what you were objecting to.

reply to post by harvib

However to avoid being scolded I will ask what will happen?

Suppose for a moment the Birthers are right. Obama is not able to be president cause of birth issues.

Obviously he would be impeached. Biden, would most likely take the reins of the presidency for the next 3.5 years. and the country would be engulfed in a race riot the likes of which have never been seen.

There would be those that would see the whole thing as a racial issue and bugle a call to arms :COUGH: Jessie Jackson & Al Sharpton :COUGH: And a powder keg of racial bigotry and angst would be set off.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by whatukno

Suppose for a moment the Birthers are right. Obama is not able to be president cause of birth issues.

Ok. Suppose the "birthers" are right. American citizens have zero ability to impeach a president.

Originally posted by Histopherness
reply to post by yeahright

 

I can understand people being pissy, Obama has done a crap job so far, but pissy AND uneducated is a combo I just can't stand.

He is doing a hell of a better job than the last guy, who in between vigorous sessions of lining his own and his friend's pockets and ruining the whole of America, found time to golf and spend half his terms at his hideout ranch in Texas.

Originally posted by xyankee

Originally posted by skeetontheconspiracy
I'm sick of this argument. every other dya there is a new thread about Nobama not being a legal citizen.
He probably isnt a legal citizen. Your commander in chief is not a US national. He is ineligible to be President.
Yeah well get over it.
You know it, I know it, Nobama knows it. But a sad fact is, nothing can be done about it but whine and complain that does no good.
You want change, vote against him in 2012.
Cause we can't do anything about it unless you're planing osmehting with a rifle, and even then that won't get anything done(secret Service is too good at what they do) but sending you to prison.

 

Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

 

What do you mean nothing can be done! Watch what happens when the whole country finds out the truth, and it gets on the MSM. I personally don't think it will but he would be on the street faster than Treason.

Right now it is not that big an issue because I am sure that more than half the country has no Idea this is going on.


[edit on 16/7/09 by xyankee]

[edit on 16/7/09 by xyankee]

Yeah, it's the half of the country worried about finding a job, not the half who listens to Rush Limbaugh every day.

reply to post by Geladinhu
Who cares Geladinhu? Only those who believe our federal government, its officers, employees, and representatives should be required to obey the Constitution. It's been the historical lack of abiding by the Constitution that's now leading the USA into becoming the USSA. Our president, who refuses to prove his eligibility, now is the prime architect of this transformation into a socialist welfare nanny one party fascist state. And yes, Bush was also guilty of leading us down this path.

Goldwater, McCain, and Romney were all born outside of the US; Goldwater in AZ Territory, McCain in Panama, and Romney in Mexico. All were challenged by the Democrats and all proved they were eligible.

Some are arguing apples and oranges as many countries claim jurisdiction over an individual who is born to a citizen of their country, particularly if they were born in that country. But it has no effect on US law if one of the parents, not both as some say, was born in the US and in the past in the case of the mother she was of the age of majority.

Currently, disregarding the father's nationality, if a child is born to a woman of any age anywhere who's a US citizen, the child is considered natural born. That was not always the case, particularly at the time of Obama's birth. A female US citizen had to be of legal age, 21 at the time, if outside the US or the child was considered to have the father's nationality. In Obama's case, if he was born outside the US this meant he would be a British citizen as his Kenyan father was a British subject. US law provided for a means to apply for automatic US citizenship in such cases but they weren't considered natural born citizens.

So the question is, are there any subsequent US laws now covering underage US women outside the US confering retroactive citizenship status? I don't know the answer but my speculation is there's no such law. Thus Obama wouldn't be eligible. Thus he has a duty to the American people to produce a long form Hawaiian birth certificate proving he was born in a Hawaiian hospital. Otherwise he should be impeached and removed from office. Hawaii hasn't the constitutional right to say those born outside Hawaii were in fact born in Hawaii as it has done in the past, nor can it overrule US federal law. So Joe Biden would be our legal president (shudder). Of course he could step aside and let Pelosi become president.

What should be done is an appellate court should have the cojones to take up the issue and clarify this mess for Obama and others once and for all, even if it leads to a constitutional crisis. If citizens with the right to vote in national elections don't have standing to bring suit in federal courts on this issue then they have no right to decide whom the political parties put up to run and we don't have a democratic Republic.

So for you Geladinhu, the Constitution does matter to some of us, particularly us veterans who own Bibles and guns and thus are considered a threat to the Fatherland, oops, I mean Homeland. Otherwise, Sieg Heil Comrade.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by whatukno

 

Suppose for a moment the Birthers are right. Obama is not able to be president cause of birth issues.

Ok. Suppose the "birthers" are right. American citizens have zero ability to impeach a president.

If the birthers are right there are no american citizens. I declared them all citizens of debunkistan, yesterday, after breakfast. (If kenya can revoke american citizenships, so can I!)

Btw: some of you might want to apply for green cards, now not being american citizens anymore and all...

[edit on 17-7-2009 by debunky]

You're not going to like this - there's a major fly in the ointment.

Section 3 of the Law of Domicile, Chapter 37 of the Laws of Kenya
from Kenya's Constitution

I cannot find when their Constitution was written BUT - they weren't Kenya in 1961 when Obama was born! They were Kenya Colony (part of the British Empire). They didn't get independance until 1964 (or so) ... they declared independance in 1963.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

So, it was British and I 'presume' you'd have to go by British laws - which I have no idea what they are.

So, does anybody know when the Kenyan Constitution was written or enacted?

reply to post by Trexter Ziam


Doesn't matter when Kenya became Kenya. Obama's father's citizenship does not matter in the slightest.

America's laws are the only laws that count in America. Not the laws of Kenya. Not British law. America does not have to respect any law from a foreign country in America.

Obama being born in Hawaii, is a Natural Born US Citizen, by virtue of Jus Soli. A citizen by birthright because Obama's mother was an American citizen by birth. Obama may have had dual citizenship, however being not of age of maturity and not having a choice in the matter means little to his status as a Natural Born American Citizen.

Being of Dual citizenship, only means that Obama would be under Kenyan law when he was in Kenya.

reply to post by harvib


Your absolutely right. Americans have absolutely no right to impeach. The only people that can do anything about this issue at this point is Congress.

****ATTENTION BIRTHERS**** THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE ANY LEGAL STANDING IN THIS ISSUE AT THIS POINT IS THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. ****ATTENTION BIRTHERS****

So that means stop whining about it, and bring your pseudo evidence to your legislative representatives. They are the only people that can do anything about it. This is why lawsuit after lawsuit is thrown out of court. Because citizens have no legal standing to impeach a president. SCOTUS has no legal standing to impeach a president. The legislative branch is the only branch of government that has any legal standing to impeach the president.

But you won't listen, cause that makes too much sense.

Unless you can prove he was born outside the united states he is a citizen.

Proposals would variously limit jus soli citizenship under the
Constitution to persons born to:

parents both of whom are either citizens or lawful permanent
residents (doesn’t expressly repeal the current Citizenship Clause);67

mothers who are legal residents (expressly repeals the current
Citizenship Clause);68

mothers who are citizens or legal residents (expressly repeals the
current Citizenship Clause);69

mothers or fathers who are citizens (doesn’t expressly repeal the
current Citizenship Clause);70

mothers or fathers who are citizens or persons who owe permanent
allegiance to the United States (doesn’t expressly repeal the current
Citizenship Clause);71

mothers or fathers who are legal residents (expressly repeals the
current Citizenship Clause);72

digital.library.unt.edu...:1

Even after the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the Fourteenth Amendment and the Wong Kim Ark decision secured automatic birthright citizenship for all persons born in the U.S. and subject to its jurisdiction,

He is a citizen it doesn't matter if he only has a short form BC...All of the information is in the link provided.



[edit on 17-7-2009 by Everwatcher33]

reply to post by whatukno

****ATTENTION BIRTHERS****

BTW have you noticed how every issue is broken into a dichotomy of two camps. Has this phenomena always occurred and I was just unaware or is this new.

It seems to be a disservice to finding the truth when one joins a camp and is unwavering in their loyalty. Many times the truth lies somewhere in the middle but for either side to admit that would mean being a traitor to their camp.

What does the opposition to the "birthers" call themselves. And what does one call themselves if they believe this whole debate to be moot.

reply to post by harvib


Let's see, People who don't believe this Birth issue I think are called Obama Zombies. People who do believe in this issue are called Birthers. And people who don't give a damn about either side are called SANE!

Originally posted by Recce1
reply to post by Geladinhu

 

Who cares Geladinhu? Only those who believe our federal government, its officers, employees, and representatives should be required to obey the Constitution. It's been the historical lack of abiding by the Constitution that's now leading the USA into becoming the USSA. Our president, who refuses to prove his eligibility, now is the prime architect of this transformation into a socialist welfare nanny one party fascist state. And yes, Bush was also guilty of leading us down this path.

Goldwater, McCain, and Romney were all born outside of the US; Goldwater in AZ Territory, McCain in Panama, and Romney in Mexico. All were challenged by the Democrats and all proved they were eligible.

Some are arguing apples and oranges as many countries claim jurisdiction over an individual who is born to a citizen of their country, particularly if they were born in that country. But it has no effect on US law if one of the parents, not both as some say, was born in the US and in the past in the case of the mother she was of the age of majority.

Currently, disregarding the father's nationality, if a child is born to a woman of any age anywhere who's a US citizen, the child is considered natural born. That was not always the case, particularly at the time of Obama's birth. A female US citizen had to be of legal age, 21 at the time, if outside the US or the child was considered to have the father's nationality. In Obama's case, if he was born outside the US this meant he would be a British citizen as his Kenyan father was a British subject. US law provided for a means to apply for automatic US citizenship in such cases but they weren't considered natural born citizens.

So the question is, are there any subsequent US laws now covering underage US women outside the US confering retroactive citizenship status? I don't know the answer but my speculation is there's no such law. Thus Obama wouldn't be eligible. Thus he has a duty to the American people to produce a long form Hawaiian birth certificate proving he was born in a Hawaiian hospital. Otherwise he should be impeached and removed from office. Hawaii hasn't the constitutional right to say those born outside Hawaii were in fact born in Hawaii as it has done in the past, nor can it overrule US federal law. So Joe Biden would be our legal president (shudder). Of course he could step aside and let Pelosi become president.

What should be done is an appellate court should have the cojones to take up the issue and clarify this mess for Obama and others once and for all, even if it leads to a constitutional crisis. If citizens with the right to vote in national elections don't have standing to bring suit in federal courts on this issue then they have no right to decide whom the political parties put up to run and we don't have a democratic Republic.

So for you Geladinhu, the Constitution does matter to some of us, particularly us veterans who own Bibles and guns and thus are considered a threat to the Fatherland, oops, I mean Homeland. Otherwise, Sieg Heil Comrade.

Very intelligently said!!! Yea
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it! all you Obama freaks.

EDIT! Ignore or delete this post. It's in the wrong thread, my mistake. Also, the correct thread seems to already know about this old news. This should have been posted to www.abovetopsecret.com...
but they already knew anyway so I wouldn't have posted had I known.
Can this post be deleted here?
THANKS!


I've found something that's apparently 4 or 5 days old that officially puts the "HOAX" label on this thread. I found it quite by accident too! A certain agency is requiring my spouse to produce a birth certificate. An agency I suspect may be using the copies to make fake IDs. Anyway, in my search on birth certificates, stolen identities, and what's legal to be required I noticed something on this older issue. I followed the long string of URLs back to what I "think" is probably the original source. This source is the one who produced the fake documents I think. Be sure to check the four URLS linking to the jpg files as they are proofs.

fearlessblogging.com...

Anyway, case closed!

Now I need a new "truth" to uncover.

[edit on 11-8-2009 by Trexter Ziam]