US general says US ready for NKorean attack

Originally posted by Cyprex
Question is, why even announce that the US is ready? The world already knows that. Just gotta stir the pot.

That was the same question that immediately came to my mind. Why say what little he said the way he said it and why now of all times? I didn't know about Lil Kim's cancer. Sad, but I wonder if in essence this would mean the end of the tyranny in N. Korea.

Originally posted by Harlequin
There is one small difference between NK and Iraq - NK HAS nukes and WILL use them

the ABL has allready been dumped to the `its nice but its pointless` bin , they`ve built 1 and thats it, which leaves THAAD and SM-3 - NK`s rockets whilst in the firm IRBM camp , don`t have the ICBM range needed for hitting CONUS

which leaves SK and japan.


SK has enough tubes pointed at Seoul to flatten it within an hour by 155mm shells anyway and US bases are well within range.


say they drop a 10kt nuke on a US military base - and only hit military targets - knowing the population is brainwashed and oppressed how would the arm-chair generals here respond?

I'm no arm-chair General, but understand a bit about our defenses in the area of North Korea.

Let's just briefly cover what they cant see.

I'm sure we have a spy satellite overhead and if our military observed the NK's prepping a launch vehicle and picked up a radioactive signature of it's nuke warhead, and were assured of an imminent launch, our numerous Los Angeles Class Fast Attack Submarines could pre-emptively/reactively unload its full compliments of 100s of TLAMS loaded with "steel rain" which would definently get the attention of the NK ground forces.

If NK was able to launch its nuke or 2, and we needed a little back-up, we have Ohio Class SSBN/SSGN's submarines (Boomers) in the area with each loaded with Trident II's D-5 (485 kilotons) able to independently target 192 locations each along with their compliment of 125 TLAMS each. I sure there are numerous Ohio's within the 7000 mile range of their Trident II D5's to keep that man child in check.

So let "Ill Kim" make his noise but a NK nuclear missile launch towards Japan would reach its target after our response has devastated NK military and industrial centers. The never ending launches of TLAMS loaded with CBU's will take the starch out of the NK troops and may cause them to head back towards the Yalu River, on the double.

Ask an Iraqi "terrorist" who endured (and survived) a "Steel Rain" attack what he thought about it. North Korean ground troops would be no different.

Thats just one deterrent.

We have not mentioned our Air Force, Navy, Army ground and air assets or the use of the services working in combination with each other.

You sure Kim isn't shakin' a limp bisquit?

reply to post by lpowell0627


That is true, but a war with NK wouldnt be like Iraq or afghanistan.
There wouldnt be boots on the ground, meaning no militia style attacks.
NKorea is a fortified nation, based around its military. meaning, all people fight.

Old style war would happen here, carpeting bombing, artillery strikes..All you need to do to defeat Nkorea is pound them until their guns are silent.

I have faith that once Kim is gone the people will rise up.

reply to post by Oldnslo


allow me to correct your holywood opinion of capability


first off

satellite`s - they follow a know course - with time on target coverage - you don`t go re-tasking a satellite without damn good reason , as once its fuel is used , the satellite`s use is over.


next -`boomers`

they are strategic assests - the entire SLBM fleet or in fact any of them will be vaguely near NK - thats not there job , nor ill it ever be - they are a first strike weapon to `end game` the only country capable of glassing from coast to coast the USA.


so please stay away from the movies that say these `things` will be parked near NK.

and this makes me laugh:

So let "Ill Kim" make his noise but a NK nuclear missile launch towards Japan would reach its target after our response has devastated NK military and industrial centers. The never ending launches of TLAMS loaded with CBU's will take the starch out of the NK troops and may cause them to head back towards the Yalu River, on the double

no - the worlds largest collection of 155 mm would stop that.

10 THOUSAND tubes aimed south all firing on 3 per min till `rounds complete`


NK is a different game than Iraq (or Iran)

they have `the bomb` and would use it.


so willl get off your ass and do something?

Originally posted by lightchild
3. WMD
4. Innocent allies nearby

Except Iraq had no WMD's and Most the so called Allies harbour terrorist training camps and they're only allies because we can have airfields and oil from them (like Saudi Arabia) The only true innocent Allie nearby would Israel and it's speculative whether they're a good allie or not the amount of trouble they bring.

As for this news, we're going to hit WW3. Iran is going to start rattling its sabers soon in this media circle jerk and then Russia & China will begin to chip into the fray as well. Ultimately someone will buckle and all hell will break lose.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Amagnon

 

Reading is a wonderful thing as is knowing the basics of a topic.

North Korea is the aggressor not the US. The US is simply responding to their threats.

To compare this to Iraq is absurd.

I'm sorry you feel that way - it is not your fault. Your media is completely full of lies and bias.

The scum controlling the US do not want independent nations that do not allow them full access through banking, corporations and bribery.

NK is not a threat to Americans - it is only a threat to those who control the US government.

You should go and do some reading yourself - I am well acquainted with the history of NK.

I would ask you - does your opinion reflect the opinion of the MSM - such as CNN and so on? If so, have you wondered if there is a motive for giving you your opinion?

Study the evidence - learn about the world - then make up your own mind and opinion. They lied to you about Iraq - do you think they are suddenly going to start telling the truth?

Originally posted by Amagnon
NK is not a threat to Americans - it is only a threat to those who control the US government.

I somewhat agree with you on this, it's the none threat of NK to the powerhouse that is America which is exactly why they are doing this and creating sanctions against them.

In terms of Government and how people are controlled there is not much difference between NK and China it just happens that China is HUGE with a big ass army and IS a threat to America which is why they won't really put any pressure or do saber rattling with them. Same with Russia during the Cold War, there wasn't really much anything the US could do to prevent Russia from spreading their Communism around Eastern Europe and expanding because the Russian military is huge and a threat

America only picks fights it thinks it can win, you could say they are bullies but I believe there intentions to be good, fighting for freedom to free people from opression, they just don't always go about it the right way!

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Amagnon
I wish the people of NK well - I hope they are not another victim of the US imperialists.

Don't support war against NK - they are suffering under sanctio0ns - and simply don't want to end up like another Iraq.

Well! That IS amusing! They don't want to end up like another Iraq, yet insist on shooting off their mouths, throwing out 'threats' willy-nilly, and generally behaving as Iraq did pre-Iraq war, and expect a different result?

How does one define 'insanity' again?

Oh, and 'imperialists'... good, solid Red Scare word from the good ol' days you have there. Do socialists ever update their dictionaries?

If you go look through my posts you will find I am a hard core capitalist. Capitalism is the natural order - I don't even like social security or health care - I think private industry (that is not enslaved by government corruption) is far more able to supply these efficiently.

Can I get a good, solid 'hegemonists' or the ever faithful 'running dogs' from the choir?

[edit on 2009/7/14 by nenothtu]

Well - I find it harder and harder to have any sympathy for the Americans sheep who only believe their MSM. You seem to support a war for profit in Iraq based on lies - it was purely killing people for control of oil.

You know it - but do you even care? You have to debate whether you won the 'war' - but do you even debate if it was morally justifiable?

Everything you see on your TV - do you just believe it - even though you know they have lied to you over and over again. I live in SE Asia - and I can get CNN and so on - I know the lies that you are told about NK. Just like they told you lies about Iraq - but will you never learn?0

You think Iraq was throwing around threats? You think they didn't know they would be facing a far superior force - do you think THEY wanted war - a war that they would inevitably lose? Of course they didn't, they wanted to be left alone - but the US scum forced war - just as they are forcing war in NK.

They are provoking using military maneuvers, sanctions and negative propaganda to make NK look evil, bad and crazy.

You think NK will be better off under the control of your psychotic fascist imperialist government, who are planning to impoverish you, over run your country with illegal aliens, burn your constitution, lie to you about everything, degrade your education system, control your minds, strip your freedoms .. where is your moral high ground? Torture, invasion, deceit, killing for profit and control - and you think NK is bad?

Wake up - do you think the population of NK is going to be better off if they are invaded by the US? Really?

If you would actually go and think, and look at the evidence then make an opinion for yourself - you might change your mind. But are you too lazy - perhaps you would rather get the opinion that CNN and MSNBC wants to give you?

Then you come on here and faithfully parrot their opinions.

Do you think I don't know what the US propaganda machine is saying about NK - do you think I don't know how hard it is trying to demonize KJI?

Their opinion is that Nk is 'dangerous', KJI is a crazy madman, unstable - what a lot of propagandized rhetoric - fit only to fill the minds of children.

KJI wasn't born into a rich family - he acquired his position through merit, as a soldier - in other words, he was smarter, more charismatic, more cunning politically and he made the right decisions. He is a solid leader - and he does NOT want the US to attack, why the hell would he want that? The US is far better armed and resourced - why would he provoke an attack on his own country? If the US attacked, even if he could repulse the invasion - which is unlikely - what is the benefit? It would cost money his country doesn't have - it would cost soldiers and equipment, making NK more vulnerable. He is running an entire country and was placed their because people had faith in his judgment - he restored his country quickly to an affluent modern country after the end of the Korean war - and now he suddenly loses his fracken mind and his own country doesn't notice? Could you be more gullible?

If you wanted to attack America - then you would send all your troops over land - and attack them and invade - do you credibly think that would happen? That is fantasy.

He would never provoke it. His country has been crushed by sanctions, his people are poor - but he knows that the US sanctioned Iraq for years before they started bombing and finally invading.

KJI and NK will not fall to US imperialism as quickly as Iraq did - he has tried to make everyone a soldier, and get nukes to deter the US from invading - which is the US intention - the US are the aggressors - don't delude yourself, or allow yourself to be deluded by your lying media.

[edit on 15-7-2009 by Amagnon]

reply to post by Amagnon


Some one really likes North Korea allot it seams kind of fishy to me I don’t know can any one say propaganda?
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Amagnon
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North Korea is asserting its independence from the banking conglomerates and the jackboot of American imperialism. Good for them - leave them the F*** alone and there will be peace - but peace is not on the agenda.

Ruling every nation in the world and bringing them into a global hegemony is on the agenda. Good for you North Korea - liberty or death.

Flip the bird three times;

1. Nuclear test
2. Destroy an orbital satellite
3. Demonstrate missle capability

There was a time when courage in the face of overwhelming odds was considered to be admirable - but it seems now everyones minds are being bent by the international propaganda machine to believe that resistance to global imperialist tyranny is a 'threat'? A threat to who - ask yourself.



[edit on 15-7-2009 by SPC_D]

Ah very easy to say I am a source of propaganda - I am one voice - the MSM have me slightly at a disadvantage.

I say Americans should have a look at all the wars they have fought and ask themselves if they are any safer for it. Have they made the lives of the people in those nations they have destroyed any better?

If I like North Korea - I like it because it is resisting the globalist agenda - its internal politics I am not personally familiar with, but I am not going to take the word of the MSM for it.

Iran is not an enemy of the US - but the US is an enemy of Iran - why, because it controls a third of the worlds oil - and will sell it in whatever currency people want to pay in - EXCEPT in $US. That is why Iran is a 'threat' to the US.

Afghanistan produces 97% of the worlds opium - it also has oil and gas, and is in a strategic location. Don't try and convince me the Taliban is the enemy of Americans - they are an enemy of the US because they burned down all the opium fields, thats why a war with them was so urgent - the Rothschilds wanted their opium money back.


All your wars are based on lies - why kill innocent people to line the pockets of your masters with gold? Those masters who have their boot on your necks, and wipe their asses with your rights?

reply to post by lightchild


It is still absurd. We are not going to attack them. They pose no risk to us.

They are engaging in extortion. Threatening to attack so they can get money.

Why anyone would defend NK is beyond me. Do you approve of them starving their citizens so their huge unnecessary military can eat up all their meager resources? Do you approve of their information blackout and their citizens being kept in complete darkness about the outside world?

You should find someone else to champion. In this case you are supporting a Beast that has been abusing its citizens for decades.

Even the UN is in agreement on these clowns. This is not bilateral, in fact we have tried to stay out of it and leave it to the real players like China and Japan. NK keeps us in it to pick our pockets. It is a giant shill game to extort money from us to fund their army.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by lightchild

 

It is still absurd. We are not going to attack them. They pose no risk to us.

They are engaging in extortion. Threatening to attack so they can get money.

They are not threatening to attack - they are threatening to DEFEND. You should read the biased and twisted articles a little more carefully - despite the total lies from the MSM - I don't think I've seen a quote from NK that it intends to 'attack'. It certainly has said it will use full force in the case of any aggression.

The whole country is starving due to sanctions applied to them - nothing they are doing is earning them money - quite the opposite.

Why anyone would defend NK is beyond me. Do you approve of them starving their citizens so their huge unnecessary military can eat up all their meager resources? Do you approve of their information blackout and their citizens being kept in complete darkness about the outside world?

Nk has a huge and unnecessary military??? Could we compare that to the US for a moment - when was the last time a war was fought on American soil? When was the last war fought on Korean soil? What percent of GDP is spent on weapons in the US, NK? What country has gone from wealth to economic collapse driven by military spending?

Three countries were listed on the US axis of evil countries - Iraq has been directly invaded, Iran has been under covert attack in an attempt to disrupt its elections and cause rioting. NK is the only one on the list who has the military means, nukes and ferociousness to keep the US out.

The NK population is starving due to sanctions applied to them - they cannot even sell their gold. They were a fast emerging economy until the sacntions were applied by the US - and whoever else they could coerce into it - those sanctions have killed millions. Those sanctions were applied for utter bullsh-t reasons - millions of innocent deaths - caused by the US.

The US has killed millions - but the US people never seem to even feel ashamed - they take pride in the endless slaughter of women and children - do you even have souls? So many Americans claim to be Christians - yet they support the brutal slaughter of people across the globe for reasons of pure profit.

Your ignorance - or proclivity for overlooking the facts is startling.

You should find someone else to champion. In this case you are supporting a Beast that has been abusing its citizens for decades.

Even the UN is in agreement on these clowns. This is not bilateral, in fact we have tried to stay out of it and leave it to the real players like China and Japan. NK keeps us in it to pick our pockets. It is a giant shill game to extort money from us to fund their army.

Nk has no allies of note - so when the US flexes its diplomatic muscle to apply sanctions, the international community has played ball.

How can you say they are doing it to get money? What a contradictory argument - if they wanted money, then they would disarm and the sanctions would be removed - then of course the US would invade, either militarily, through agents - or economically. Frankly - I fail to see the upside of bending over for the US.

reply to post by Cyprex


I dont think we are ready Kim has been planning on nuking us from the beginning. There are 70000 troops within striking distance of NK when they strike so will Iran. Today Iran said he is going to strike in the face so hard we wont find our way home. Why do you think they want all of our boys in 3 bases, so they wont miss. I hope Israel doesn't strike Iran because they will unleash 100000 missiles on our boys.

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by Oldnslo

 

allow me to correct your holywood opinion of capability


first off

satellite`s - they follow a know course - with time on target coverage - you don`t go re-tasking a satellite without damn good reason , as once its fuel is used , the satellite`s use is over.


next -`boomers`

they are strategic assests - the entire SLBM fleet or in fact any of them will be vaguely near NK - thats not there job , nor ill it ever be - they are a first strike weapon to `end game` the only country capable of glassing from coast to coast the USA.


so please stay away from the movies that say these `things` will be parked near NK.

and this makes me laugh:

So let "Ill Kim" make his noise but a NK nuclear missile launch towards Japan would reach its target after our response has devastated NK military and industrial centers. The never ending launches of TLAMS loaded with CBU's will take the starch out of the NK troops and may cause them to head back towards the Yalu River, on the double

no - the worlds largest collection of 155 mm would stop that.

10 THOUSAND tubes aimed south all firing on 3 per min till `rounds complete`


NK is a different game than Iraq (or Iran)

they have `the bomb` and would use it.


so willl get off your ass and do something?

First of all I got off my ass in 1968-1969 with the First Cav - MOS 67N20. I've more than paid my dues.

Secondly LA Class FAS (SSN) is NK biggest problem plus land base and seabase aircraft TLAM's regardless what you say.

"Boomers" can be anywhere (and nowhere). You are correct, they are not parked, they lurk and shadow. Not even you have a clue as to where they are. The Navy doesn't know where they are until the sub decides to communicate.

My info comes from a close friend, a retired (SSN) "XO" and he believes we have more than enough assets in the area to handle NK because that's the way it works. Including Satellite reconnescence. The Straits of Taiwan, China Sea, and the Pacific east of NK all contain LA/Ohio class subs.

My other source says its most likely a KH-12 "Improved Crystal" which could be refuelled by a shuttle in orbit. You have no idea what is launched from Vandenberg AFB. We see launches go off all the time. Mostly secret missions. A recon satellite could have also been placed it in a orbit, by a Space Shuttle on one such secret mission, that overflies NK every 90-100 minutes and the Koreans wouldn't even know about it with the KH-12's much stealthier signature. This KH-12 could have been already replaced by a KH-13 via secret Military Shuttle Missions. Who is to know. There are, for sure, a slew of Predators overflying sensitive areas.

This does not include commercial satellites continually over flying and taking images of NK on every 90 minute orbit.

I have no idea where you get you info. But.......

Thirdly, the site of ANY artillery shot fired by the NK's will be immediately targeted and U.S. return fire to that sight will be in the air before NK artillery shell hit SK. You should know this. This had been going on in Iraq and Afganistan for quite a while.

Fourthly:

The aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) with its crew of approximately 5,500 Sailors is the United States’ only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier. The George Washington will be joined by Carrier Battle Force 70, Carrier Air Wing 5, Surface Combatant Force Seventh Fleet (CTF-75), Carrier Strike Force Seventh Fleet (CTF-77) and Destroyer Squadron 15 in a massive show of force.

Fifth: You want to "CORRECT" me with your argument, but you can't even spell the word "HOLLYWOOD" correctly, of all places on the face of this Earth. The 6th word in your argument!! C'mon!!!!!

By the way, are you a vet or just an arm chair keyboarder.

Many in my family has been members of "The Silent Service" since 1943. 5 straight generations have served in the military, including me. My 90 year old Mother waded ashore at Anzio (Nurse 1st LT). I was a crew chief on a Huey.

Think what you want, but any move by the NK's will be to its total demise. Besides China knows of our capabilities and will stop any attempts due to the response of our military. This won't be like the 1950's Korean War.
Capitulation by the North Koreans within days/weeks of its pre-emptive attack on South Korea.

And also didn't that North Korean freighter with a possibly illegal cargo return to NK to defuse the increasing tension to take action upon that vessel. I believe China influenced that decision.

Harlequin, I enjoy many of your posts but I believe ya got this one wrong.
No harm intended.

One ill fated move by North Korea will solve the two Korea problem in way or another, for good.

I betcha there's not much going on in NK we don't know about.

He IS holding a limp bisquit.