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Originally posted by DeltaChaos
Islamic Anger Brigades? Oh God, these guys MUST BE SERIOUS!!!
Punks. Every single one of them. Just need a good smack down. A few cleverly placed tacticals oughta do the trick, I'd say. That'll shut 'em up right quick!
Delta+Chaos=Freedom
Hey Colonel, if you deserve to be called that, I tried my damnedest to be on a plane to Afghanistan that left Honolulu on wendesday. I would be there if I could. I never really intended to leave. 7 years was all I was lucky enough for.
Originally posted by ColonelForbin
Thats some nice 'tough-guy speak' there dude. Maybe we should send you over there, you sound like you could handle them.
NO government has ever been controlled by the United States unless they agreed to a deal. Except for Haiti. and Panama. Oh, and then there was the Cherokee Nation...
Originally posted by Arcadian
It is very easy to point the blame at the Muslim world for declaring Jihad against the West. Never mind that we have been manipulating their governments for decades all in the name of oil and religion....
Saddam was on our payroll and what happened for the years directly following the CIA canning his ass was that he pouted and refused any and all assistance from US and our allies. There's only so much you can do for a child who refuses the medicine. Of which we sent cases and was mostly sold for profit and/or used to form new and interesting compounds.
Never mind that we turned a blind eye to the horrors in Iraq as long as Saddam served OUR interests. Never mind that we have gone in and attacked a country and their people, and are still doing it.
What would I do? I'll tell you what I'd do... I'd demand my money back because that was the worst movie that I ever saw. Regime Change? OWN FORCE? Listen, the UN gets it's little jobs done by BORROWING Armies from those who HAVE THEM! And WE are the ones who HAVE THEM. That's why they're always calling. What are they going to do, sick us on ourselves?
Let me ask you something, what would you do (DC) if the UN suddenly decided that Bush was an evil that must be removed, and that the world would be a better place without him and sent in their own force for Regime Change?
Yes, I remember Obi-Wan did teach me something... That TRUTH is dependent on one's own point of view. But successful people whose brains I've had the opportunity to pick tell me this about reality: He who understands it and accepts it for what is is, controls it. He who dreams beyond reason leaves no imprint in the future.
That is right, you would be fighting them just as I would. Then WE would be the insurgents. Is that how it works. The dominating oppresive force is the good guy? We have the biggest guns, so do as we say? Didn't Obi Wan teach you ANYthing? Fear, anger, hatred...these lead to the path of the dark side.
The force is NOT strong with this one...
Originally posted by Arcadian
It is very easy to point the blame at the Muslim world for declaring Jihad against the West. Never mind that we have been manipulating their governments for decades all in the name of oil and religion. Never mind that we turned a blind eye to the horrors in Iraq as long as Saddam served OUR interests. Never mind that we have gone in and attacked a country and their people, and are still doing it.
Let me ask you something, what would you do (DC) if the UN suddenly decided that Bush was an evil that must be removed, and that the world would be a better place without him and sent in their own force for Regime Change? That is right, you would be fighting them just as I would. Then WE would be the insurgents. Is that how it works. The dominating oppresive force is the good guy? We have the biggest guns, so do as we say? Didn't Obi Wan teach you ANYthing? Fear, anger, hatred...these lead to the path of the dark side.
The force is NOT strong with this one...
Yes, this is because our military commanders were not allowed to act in a decisive manner to secure victory. Armies do not function as they are intended if they are governed. We're a God Damned THOROUGBRED! If we do not seek to win immediately and relentlessly, then we must be seeking to lose.
Originally posted by Arcadian
Last time I checked, we didn't win in Vietnam...
Originally posted by namehere
...try reading Sun Tzu's art of war and you'll understand what DC was trying to say...
Originally posted by DeltaChaos
NO government has ever been controlled by the United States unless they agreed to a deal. Except for Haiti. and Panama. Oh, and then there was the Cherokee Nation...
Originally posted by Arcadian
It is very easy to point the blame at the Muslim world for declaring Jihad against the West. Never mind that we have been manipulating their governments for decades all in the name of oil and religion....
Saddam was on our payroll and what happened for the years directly following the CIA canning his ass was that he pouted and refused any and all assistance from US and our allies. There's only so much you can do for a child who refuses the medicine. Of which we sent cases and was mostly sold for profit and/or used to form new and interesting compounds.
Never mind that we turned a blind eye to the horrors in Iraq as long as Saddam served OUR interests. Never mind that we have gone in and attacked a country and their people, and are still doing it.
I don't see anyone with a real sense of history about this war. 1 year, and we've lost 760? We'd lost 25,000 by the end of the first year in Vietnam. And caused a hundred times as many civilian deaths... By the end of the Vietnam war, we had 65,000 dead on the ground of our own, and 2 million poor saps who stepped in the flight path of our projectiles. In the Civil war, It wasn't uncommon to lose 60,000 men in a day! And that's with almost zero collateral damage due to the war fighting methods.
God, it's just that when a group of people adamantly and repeatedly declare their hatred for you and how they will not rest until they've killed you and all of your ilk, I can't understand how people cannot see that conjecture and diplomacy is a non-option. The longer we screw around with these little rats, the fatter they get.
One day their going to get so fat that they actually DO drag a nuke on top of LA or NY, and when that happens, it'll be the same old story. Who's responsible for the intelligence failure that led to the deaths of 600,000 Americans? And everyone is going to complain that adequate measures weren't taken to prevent the attack, and here we are right now talking about nothing but pulling out and doing nothing. Look, if America doesn't clean up this mess, no one else will. Especially with this DOLT we have at the helm.
I'm sorry, what was the question?
What would I do? I'll tell you what I'd do... I'd demand my money back because that was the worst movie that I ever saw. Regime Change? OWN FORCE? Listen, the UN gets it's little jobs done by BORROWING Armies from those who HAVE THEM! And WE are the ones who HAVE THEM. That's why they're always calling. What are they going to do, sick us on ourselves?
Let me ask you something, what would you do (DC) if the UN suddenly decided that Bush was an evil that must be removed, and that the world would be a better place without him and sent in their own force for Regime Change?
Yes, I remember Obi-Wan did teach me something... That TRUTH is dependent on one's own point of view. But successful people whose brains I've had the opportunity to pick tell me this about reality: He who understands it and accepts it for what is is, controls it. He who dreams beyond reason leaves no imprint in the future.
That is right, you would be fighting them just as I would. Then WE would be the insurgents. Is that how it works. The dominating oppresive force is the good guy? We have the biggest guns, so do as we say? Didn't Obi Wan teach you ANYthing? Fear, anger, hatred...these lead to the path of the dark side.
And yeah, we do have some BIG GUNS don't we? And pretty planes...
The force is NOT strong with this one...
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid" -Han Solo
DC
[Edited on 6-5-2004 by DeltaChaos]