Man Charged In 'Virtual Porn' Case

That's the risk your NIECES and NEPHEWS and DAUGHTERS take by posting their pictures online, though.
This man did nothing wrong. I hate to say it, and as "sick" as it may be, he didn't do anything illegal.

Maybe children shouldn't be uploading pictures on the internet if they don't want this to happen.
It's a sad reality.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Not that I support the guy. But why are people saying he's obviously mentally ill, he needs help etc.

Yes what he did is strange, but we don't "really" know the guy, only he knows if he needs help. People do weird things all the time, I guess it means everyone needs help haha.


[edit on 27-6-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Eating cereal with a fork is weird, taking pictures of a pre-teenage girl and putting it on a nude photograph is sick.

To suppose this man has rights to his taking of a child's likeness and impose it on sexual imagery is to also suppose that the child's right to be free from the danger this man poses doesn't exist. You cannot have a child be the pictured object of sexual desire and assume that they aren't being targeted. Frankly, that's naive.

I'm glad he's being charged and investigated. He'll have his day in court. If they do find that he is the owner of this imagery, then I certainly hope the State has enough foresight to ensure this man is removed from being around children.

if the 3 kids are just random faces he found on the internet, I don't see it as a problem, because he was most likely just messing around in photoshop for fun. I don't see the big deal.

another side effect of a sick society.

reply to post by bl4ke360


Read the article. Two of the three girls were from his town. One of the locals was the daughter of his tenant. The third girl was Hanna Montana.

*edited for clarity

[edit on 27-6-2009 by GreenGlassDoor]

Ok, but did HE take the photos of them, or did he find them online and used them to photoshop?

reply to post by physicalbeing


It doesn't matter. He actively sought two local girls that he knew. Found or taken makes no difference in this issue. They're still the pictured object of his sexual gratification.

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
reply to post by bl4ke360

 

Read the article. Two of the three girls were from his town. One of the locals was the daughter of his tenant. The third girl was Hanna Montana.

*edited for clarity

[edit on 27-6-2009 by GreenGlassDoor]

Well I assumed they were random pictures.

Well this is a different matter, if he knew them personaly then it would be worrying indeed. I still don't think he needs jail time, but instead should be given a warning and should have a professional talk with him to be sure of his intentions and after that simply be cautious.

You help him, and you might have a solution. You dump him in a prison enviroment then your simply adding fuel to the fire in my opinion.

So that is all. Anything like jail time would be in my opinion inhumane as it would be the start of thought crime, punishing people for thoughts instead of helping.

Sometimes the best solution is through compassion, love, understanding instead of dumping them in jail and hope it goes away.

Maybe it's just me trying to see the good in people. Sort of like Kal El/Clark Kent, he always tries to see the good in people, but there are always others who see that as a weakness.


[edit on 27-6-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by jd140
You can send him pics of the children in your family also.

As long as it is only thoughts and no action you should be fine with it right?

It's difficult to be fair when emotions are involved.
If it was my children's pics, I'd maybe think differently.
But then my perspective would be very subjective and incompatible with an objective justice.

It's not fine but hopefully nobody was hurt.
I understand the concerns of his community. He might need some help and be kept watch over.

Why don't we show those Photoshopped images to the little girls whose faces he used, and ask them if they don't feel like they've been victimized? It's a form of stalking, and it's a form of sexual harassment similar to undressing somebody with your eyes.

It also shows that he's willing to act on his pedophilia. He acted on his desire to get pictures of a 10 and 12 year old girl that actually live near him, and then he acted on his desire to see how they would look naked. This is technically stalking and sexual harassing those extremely young children... and *THAT* is what he should be charged with. Those girls are the victims.

It's not technically child porn though. Charging him with child porn? That makes me think of the case awhile back where somebody went to jail for having pornographic images of Simpsons characters. Just, no, people. No. It's either a real pornographic image of a child or it isn't, there's no "virtual" about it.

Quick, if you know anyone who has the body of an adult and the face of a small child you need to tell them right away that they need to be watchful for people who have adultbodychildfaceophilia... you could very well save their lives!

Originally posted by bl4ke360
if the 3 kids are just random faces he found on the internet, I don't see it as a problem, because he was most likely just messing around in photoshop for fun. I don't see the big deal.

He was probably going to post the images on /b/, lol.

reply to post by mattifikation


Is he really acting on his pedophilia?

Some, including myself, would see it as curbing his urges through the use of masturbation... regardless what he's looking at... its still masturbation.

This guy should definitely be separated from society for a while, but it's probably excessive to throw him in prison. Some time as in inpatient at a mental health facility is probably more appropriate.

Sexual disorders can't be solved like other crimes (such as burglary). When they get out of jail, a burglar can get a job and turn his life around, but a pedophile will still be attracted to children. No, the solution should be psychiatric in nature.

Now, don't get me wrong, if he had actually harmed a child then I say lock him for a good long time; but for a victimless crime like this, psychiatric help is probably all that is required.

Originally posted by free2live
reply to post by mattifikation

 

Is he really acting on his pedophilia?

Some, including myself, would see it as curbing his urges through the use of masturbation... regardless what he's looking at... its still masturbation.

It's almost as if the guy is being punished for utilizing his own form of therapy so that he doesn't act out on his urges with real children (if he has any).

Hmmm...

Welcome to the free planet called Earth, where you can be charged for your thought crimes.

Originally posted by LiquidLight
Now, don't get me wrong, if he had actually harmed a child then I say lock him for a good long time; but for a victimless crime like this, psychiatric help is probably all that is required.

... but it looks as if he's created his own psychiatric therapy which involves creating these pictures to suppress any real world action that he might have otherwise done.

Now, if you believe that violent video games cause violence, then maybe you also believe that what he is doing causes pedophilia.

Imagine if he creates these pictures every time he has an urge to kidnap and rape a small girl.

Locking up a self-correcting pedophile is a tragedy in some senses.

OK no more fantasies guys, lights out. I do not think he commited a crime, but I do believe that he needs to be watched. He obviously has some kind of crush on these young girls, but he has not laid a finger on them. Strange case, can someone be prosecuted for fantasies?? I don't think they should. However, I would not trust him to babysit.

An interetsting thought train on this subject is if we take a lot of the initial emotional reaction to it away, and look at it with an openish mind...

My question which I will try and explain below, is that by actually using the emotional knee jerk reaction every normal person has, to child sexual exploitation is the penal/legal system, using the premise of safegaurding the rights of children, to protect them, as a cover in fact a slow creep towards infringing on the rights of all people?
From small acorns big trees grow and all that.

So consider the following, If a person uses a target practise of, as is often the case a famous politician, and actually is shooting them, rather than just observing, well then as we have no proof in any way in the OP case nor the story states he actually had any sexual reaction to these pictures... so therefore where someone is shown to actually not just look but take action on a picture by shooting it, should they be arrested for terrorism if its the president on the target?

Or for Rascism or xenophobia, inciting such acts of they shoot pictures of Osama Bin Laden?

Futher more to bring it to the sexual field, it is a well known fact that the most prevalent sexual "Fantasy" of all legal adults Especially women is the rape fantasy.

Now then if a man watchs a "Fantasy" alone or with his partner, say a film not just pictures of a Rape acted scene, should they then infact be arrested and charged for the liklihood they would actually go and do it?

Is it more likely and abhorrent as its sexual than the emotional pleasure gained from imagining yourself shooting and murdering an Arab, or a politician?

Should the makers of the targets or the films be arrested for inciting such actions to place?

If not why then if a woman of 18 has the physical attributes of a child, and looks like a 9 yr old due to hormones or whatever, and filmed a scene or had photos taken in sexual acts, or even just naked, and this man watched them would it then be ok as she is over 18?

Even if she looked younger than a child of 14 who was all woman in bodily appearance?

Where is the line the real demarcation?

In fact if a man and woman say a husband and wife, ask a freind to partcipitate in a Rape fantasy to fulfill a long desire of theirs should he then be arrested for doing so, or they for inciting him to go and do it on an actual person in the future?

What about the rights of Osama, George bush or other leading figures?

What about the rights and safegaurding of all women esp those who have suffered such sick non consentual things in life?

Should not the photo that is famous of the young vietname girl walking charred, half naked from a Napalm cloud from vietnam era never be published again?

Even though such an image had such an impact on stopping the war worldwide?

As it may be sexual to some?

In fact all those who scream about this man and faces of kids on adult bodies, are apparently so in child rights and protection...
Well you then have to think about the next present you buy for your precious little ones.... where and who made it?

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Is that not worrying children working for 14 hours a day 7 days a week to targets getting no education and beaten and kept in bad conditions?

Shouldnt they be protected to?

OH no lets all freak out about a minute amount of terrible events that happen to 1 in a million barbie and ken kids.... and overreact get angry and protect the innocents, whilst our computers we are on now, the goods in Walmart and the Gap sweaters we wear are all made by slave labour... 9 -15 thats 7 years of their life destroyed and abused every day.

You see my point?

Lets get some real things to be angry about not some sexual deviant looking at a childs face on a computer screen but at what happens NOW to these children as follows:

246 million children are child labourers

73 million working children are less than
10 years old.

Every year, 22,000 children die in workrelated
accidents.

The largest number of working children –
127 million – age 14 and under are in the
Asia-Pacific region

8.4 million children are trapped in slavery,
trafficking, debt bondage, prostitution,
pornography and other illicit activities.

1.2 million of these children have been
trafficked.

Source

So for the appaled and string him up crowd, etc....

Well,
Hey go to Walmart in your SUV, all environmental made from plastic collected from children living in rubbish dumps where we ship our recycles to... wearing your gap clothes, where the kids who dyed them still have coloured and cencerous feet, then buy a nice pressie for little innocent made in a sweatshop and then come home and on the keyboard that a 9 or 10 year old slave laboured aver for about $4 a week tell us how sick and twisted this dude looking at those photos is.

Oh the hypocripsy, and enjoy your deviant sweet nothings in your "normal" partners ears next time you both get very very "Nasty"

Telling it as it is, not how we pretend.

Elf.

Edit for link, and readability.

[edit on 27-6-2009 by MischeviousElf]

Good.

Maybe now we scan start to work on locking up those degenerate Anime Cartoon perverts who get off on looking at cartoon children.

And don't give me that "he has rights" nonsense - No one has any rights anymore and I'd just as soon seen perverts and degenerates lose their rights first as mine are as good as lost anyways...