The Second American Revolution Has Begun! Then What?

reply to post by thewind


The wild card they have had nightmares about is the National Guard. During Andrew there were buried looters everywhere - 3 in my nephew's front yard - NONE of this got reported; like the migrant labor camp in Florida City which was wiped out and had hundreds of dead bodies lying everywhere, yes there are pictures of them that were removed from the net.

I got there within hours AFTER Andrew struck because of my family in Gator country and I KNOW the Andrew dead totals are lies because I SAW National Guard Troops take out gangs - even though they were ordered to stand down. Like my Company Commander friend said, "# them, I will not stand by and watch women and children be raped and die."

I even had Guard Troops TELL ME TO SHOOT LOOTERS, and if they survived, SHOOT THEM AGAIN. Tagged quiet a few.

The point being the guard troops stood for the people and refused orders to NOT react to murder and mayham against the people, they will do the same again - after all they are Americans.

reply to post by thewind


You pegged it, IF all goes as they planned they will chip those who come to their open arems for help while in the camps - but we'll do our best to be a spur in their boot and a pain in their rear ends... Happy hunting & Honor and Courage!

reply to post by SGTChas


That is good to know. Was the National Guard involved in disarming the citizens?

I didn't move to this nation to watch it taken over and destroyed by a bunch of whiny spoiled brats in Washington. Americans need to understand NOW that there is NO OTHER PLACE ON EARTH LEFT TO GO.

Trust me on this.

Thank You Sir..

America is the last place to go.

As I said on a soap box & they put in the paper the next day.
"If America Falls, so does the world"

We are what a free republic.


To be technical, legal & honest with ourselves. We need to understand that the laws passed & Agency's set up by the American Government.....

ARE NULL & VOID...

They do not run or operate our government.
We do. We are in charge & We are responsible.

It's time we all grow together and help each other out a lot more.

reply to post by projectvxn


No one I know is going anywhere. If they truly plan on marching foreign troops into American cities wearing blue UN hats, I feel sorry for the poor bastards who got chosen for that job. They have no idea what they are about to walk into and I would think that the people who ordered the foreigners with blue hats into our cities will be sought after next.

Let us all hope freedom can be restored through peaceful means.

reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


Very true. About the UN troops: those sky blue beanies they wear make excellent aiming points. They stick out like a sore thumb, unless they're over your head on a clear day.

Also, The UN troops have not been terribly effective where they've been. I remember one in Bosnia standing over the body of a dead 9 year old boy, with his weapons still slung, IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIREFIGHT. He didn't do a heck of a lot to help anyone, especially the kid. You might have seen that picture too.

There's a fella that lives near me who was on the UN payroll in Bosnia, training the local police forces. He WAS terribly effective, as were both of his housemates, who were former US Special Forces. They were vastly outnumbered, and at one point in grave danger from some of the combatants around there that just didn't like Americans, and the locals looked out for them, because they had helped the locals so much. Pays to have friends. At one point, a local militia turned out in force to defend their house from a reported attack on the way. The American guys had a concrete block bunker on the top floor of their house, complete with a machine gun nest they had "liberated" the firepower for.

But I digress. The point is, when the locals found out they were in danger, they turned out to defend them, because they had no faith in the UN troops to be able to do so. What did the UN do? One officer from one outfit dropped by and offered to give them some of his patches, to cover their own with so they didn't look "American". Not surprisingly, they turned the offer down.

Fat lot of help THAT would be in a firefight, anyhow.

I ain't skeered of no stinkin' UN.


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reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


NO! I do not know if it is a function of the Southern attitude, or because of the Cuban anti-government pro-gun influence, but the Florida National Guard was TELLING people to arm themselves and USE the firearms if needed. They were not bashful about using THEIR weapons for two legged rat control, WHICH I can attest to.

Originally posted by SGTChas
reply to post by Anonymous Avatar

 

NO! I do not know if it is a function of the Southern attitude, or because of the Cuban anti-government pro-gun influence, but the Florida National Guard was TELLING people to arm themselves and USE the firearms if needed. They were not bashful about using THEIR weapons for two legged rat control, WHICH I can attest to.

I've heard that from other sources, so consider this an independent confirmation - as much confirmation as it can be anonymously, anyhow.

reply to post by projectvxn


For certain in these evil days when our elected leaders would have us believe that the nations where the people beg the government for their medical care, look to the government to regulate every aspect of their lives and stand with their hand out to the government for their sustenance; in a life devoid of any hope of achieving anything better due to stifling government regulatory chains, the propaganda of the State controlled pro-progressive media has blinded a large section of the population to the truth. This we must fight with a continued effort at educating with the truth.

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The only thing revolting is the right wing but that's only because they are naturally so.

reply to post by grover


Well, coming from an authority on ‘revolting’ such as you appear to be, I’ll take that as a compliment. Thank you for your well thought out and intellectual post.

Originally posted by grover
The only thing revolting is the right wing but that's only because they are naturally so.

Does that mean I've already "disgusted" my hippy for the day, and can go back to sleep?

reply to post by grover


Grover

Even a turkey can't fly with just a left wing.

I said what I did because NO ONE except the right wing is even talking about revolt... you guys did this same sort of bullhooey when Clinton was in office too and it is nonsense like this is why I am finding it increasingly difficult to take anything right says seriously...

as for the Republicans every time they open their mouths they merely prove how clueless they really are.... claiming that their situation in congress is akin to the protesters in Iran...

give me a bloody break.

No... only the hard right is talking about revolt and it is just a pipe dream, just letting off steam and sour grapes.

BTW ya can't insult me calling me a hippie... I wear the badge of old hippie with honor... as do I veteran.

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reply to post by grover


You know my staunch opposition to right and left wing politics. Check out my signature the vast majority of the grievances in this piece were done during the Bush admin, and carried over by Obama. Everyone on this site that reads my posts know where I stand, and it is not on the right. The people revolting are not rightwingers they are those of us who are sick of the Federal Government Period! Right wingers have been trying to put their mark on these efforts, but they are in our crosshairs as well.

I supported Obama, I gave his campaign money, I helped get that bastard elected. And now he's making me regret it. Has been since he took office. He's a liar. You have a habit of listening to what your party line says, I look at what both DO. If and when you decide to start doing actual research than listening to party propaganda you'll be doing yourself a favor in that you won't find yourself defending morally reprehensible policies and actions just because it isn't the right wing. Time to wake up now my friend.

reply to post by projectvxn


Can I give an AMEN!?!? Preach it brother Patriot!

reply to post by projectvxn

First of to SGTchas... just because I disagree with you does not make me any less of a patriot.

Now in regards to Obama... no administration that I have experienced yet makes a total and complete break with their predecessors policies... they tend to carry them over and then change them over time... its called continuity and its important because it prevents the wild policy swings we would experience if they did.

Next... I voted for Obama but I did not work for him or give him any money. I don't endorse any political candidates that way or period and I haven't since McGovern... who I did work for. Obama was my candidate by default... the party I generally vote for chose him and I was not about to vote for either Nader or bush minor... I preferred either Richardson, Clarke or Edwards.

I did and will defend him though from all the extremism and hate I see spewed at him from the right though as a matter of principle. I believe in judging a man or woman on their works not their words or their race, religion, family background or sexual preference. I mouthed my contempt for bush minor and cheney the dick because I felt that they had earned it... not simply because they are conservatives and Republicans.

In regards to Obama's works. I vehemently disagree with him on his bank policy and would like to see him toss Giethner out on his ear. I agree that bad banks regardless of size should be allowed to fail. I also believe that no institution should be allowed to get so large their failure would so adversely affect the overall national economy. I think he should be as hard as rock on the big banks and I do not think the tarp money should be rolled over... I do not want the big banks to think of it as an equity line to bail out their sorry asses out when they need it. Use the money to pay down the deficit.

At the same time I also understand that the bank bailout was on his plate when he was sworn in and ya gotta play what you're delt. As for auto... they came a beggin... he did not seek them out... I understand that if they crashed the overall effect on the economy would be probably worse than the banks because it is not just a matter of the companies themselves but their suppliers and their suppliers suppliers etc.

In either case, auto or the banks if we are going to bail them out to the tune of billions then we should have a stake in them... to hell with just giving them the money... hold their balls to the fire by holding a share in them. Great do it. Anything less is a give away.

In regards to the stimulas package... to date I have no problem with it. If it proves to be a failure then I may change my opinion but for now wait and see...

I am all for health care reform and I have no problem sticking it to the HMO's, insurance and drug companies.... they have been ripping us off for long enough. But I want to see something fair and that works come out of it... not more bullhooey like the medicare drug plan.

I would like to see us out of Iraq and hope it happens... Afghanistan/Pakistan are damned if you do, damned if you don't nations and there are no easy answers. Close Gitmo and haul the guilty ones off to the super max prisons but give them their day in court and free the ones there that are innocent.

Personally I would like to see all overseas bases closed and our troops brought home and an end to foriegn aid except in times of disaster but I am a realist enough to know it's not going to happen.

Overall I have to say that five months in office is nothing and too short of a time to judge the man a success or a failure.

Ask me again in a year.

Oh and ALL politicians lie... its in their DNA.

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reply to post by grover


Everything you've said so far is just a long winded way of saying "I voted for the lesser of two evils". I'm tired of that old, worn out cop out. You have to READ legislation, and if you think my only problem with Obama is the stimulus package and the bailouts then it is obvious only one of us is paying close attention. Obama had the SCOTUS overturn Michigan v. Jackson(I'll leave it to you to find out what that is and why it is important). Obama wants "preventive", "prolonged" detention which is a slap in the face to those of us who supported him on his stance on Habeas Corpus. He has expanded the NSAs power. His usurpation of Congressional Review by appointing "Czars". His lies about Iraq pullout when he's increasing private troop use by 23%. This includes XE formerly Blackwater, who was barred from operating in Iraq. And that doesn't even cover the tip of the proverbial Iceberg. No, the bailout we can spread blame on, but those policies are squarely his, it is a disservice of the media and the parties to say that "He hasn't been in office long enough to do anything" BS!!! He's done plenty, but I can't be the only one doing the leg work here.

Obama does not have this nations best interest in mind anymore than Bush and the right wing neocons did.

He's a fascist. Just like the rest.

Originally posted by grover

First of to SGTchas... just because I disagree with you does not make me any less of a patriot.

Several tories in the first American Revolution made the same claim, including the "prior service" claim from service during the French and Indian War, in the service of the crown. Didn't make then un-tories.

Now in regards to Obama... no administration that I have experienced yet makes a total and complete break with their predecessors policies... they tend to carry them over and then change them over time... its called continuity and its important because it prevents the wild policy swings we would experience if they did.

Then he should have campaigned on continuity, not change. I've noticed several wild policy swings, however. Maybe you haven't noticed them.

I did and will defend him though from all the extremism and hate I see spewed at him from the right though as a matter of principle. I believe in judging a man or woman on their works not their words or their race, religion, family background or sexual preference. I mouthed my contempt for bush minor and cheney the dick because I felt that they had earned it... not simply because they are conservatives and Republicans.

I'll defend NO man simply because he's under attack. He might be under attack for good reason. As you said, a man should be judged by his works, not his words, and the Obama's works have been found wanting. I voiced my contempt for the Bushies as well, because as you said, they earned it. Matter of fact, they were the specific reason I finally broke with the Republican party. I hate that you confuse neocons with conservatives, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Neocons are NOT conservatives, by any stretch of the imagination.

In regards to Obama's works. I vehemently disagree with him on his bank policy and would like to see him toss Giethner out on his ear. I agree that bad banks regardless of size should be allowed to fail. I also believe that no institution should be allowed to get so large their failure would so adversely affect the overall national economy. I think he should be as hard as rock on the big banks and I do not think the tarp money should be rolled over... I do not want the big banks to think of it as an equity line to bail out their sorry asses out when they need it. Use the money to pay down the deficit.

OK. These are his works you DISAGREE with. Which of his works do you AGREE with, that you think he merits your defense?

At the same time I also understand that the bank bailout was on his plate when he was sworn in and ya gotta play what you're delt. As for auto... they came a beggin... he did not seek them out... I understand that if they crashed the overall effect on the economy would be probably worse than the banks because it is not just a matter of the companies themselves but their suppliers and their suppliers suppliers etc.

A bank bailout was on his plate. A done deal that he had nothing to do with. That doesn't mean he had to continue the tradition, and throw away yet more good money after bad. In that sense, no, he DIDN'T have to play what he was dealt. He wasn't dealt the subsequent bailouts after he was sworn in.

So what if the Auto makers came beggin'? That don't mean they had to get what they were begging for. He may not have sought them out, but neither did he have to cave in to them. Bankruptcy laws are in place for a reason. Use them.

You truly believe that had the big 3 failed, no more autos would have been produced or repaired in the US? I unconditionally deny the claim that a big 3 failure would have collapsed the US economy, and all the suppliers. They have the product, a demand somewhere would have been found, probably in the ashes of the "Big Three".

In either case, auto or the banks if we are going to bail them out to the tune of billions then we should have a stake in them... to hell with just giving them the money... hold their balls to the fire by holding a share in them. Great do it. Anything less is a give away.

"If" is a mighty big word, isn't it? I'll give you another "if". If the Obama had just let them suffer the normal consequences of their misdeeds, we wouldn't be having this philosophical debate on whether Socialism or Fascism, or whatever "ism" you prefer to call government ownership of production, is or is not the American way.

In regards to the stimulas package... to date I have no problem with it. If it proves to be a failure then I may change my opinion but for now wait and see...

I have a major problem with it, as will generations yet unborn.

I am all for health care reform and I have no problem sticking it to the HMO's, insurance and drug companies.... they have been ripping us off for long enough. But I want to see something fair and that works come out of it... not more bullhooey like the medicare drug plan.

I'm all for the government staying out of my business as much as they can. Governmental takeover of health care is NOT "healthcare reform", as it has been labelled. It's just a forced change in who I have to entrust my healthcare to. Governments should govern, not wipe my nose and tell me to take my medicine, whether I want to or not.

I would like to see us out of Iraq and hope it happens...

Me too. We shouldn't have bitten THAT off to begin with. We already had one war going on, without needing to jump into another one that was unnecessary at the time. Hussein was already buttoned up. We could have erased him later, when we weren't already tied up.

Afghanistan/Pakistan are damned if you do, damned if you don't nations and there are no easy answers. Close Gitmo and haul the guilty ones off to the super max prisons but give them their day in court and free the ones there that are innocent.

Afghanistan DOES have easy answers, it just takes hard decisions to get to them. You're in favor of granting US citizenship rights to foreign enemy combatants? Not familiar with the Geneva Convention, and protocols of war? Maybe you think ALL wars should be fought by police instead of soldiers? I must admit, this argument has always mistified me. Why should we grant the rights and privelidges of a US citizenship on folks who seek to destroy us, as they've stated?

Personally I would like to see all overseas bases closed and our troops brought home and an end to foriegn aid except in times of disaster but I am a realist enough to know it's not going to happen.

Me too. Leave 'em to their own devices, and bring our troops home. All except the ones actively engaged in a war. There's a reason those guys are there. I'm with you on ending foreign aid, too. Right now, it appears that we can't even afford to aid ourselves, due to government mismanagement, and we have no business sending money there when it's needed so badly here.

Overall I have to say that five months in office is nothing and too short of a time to judge the man a success or a failure.

Ask me again in a year.

I will, assuming that the Obama hasn't completely collapsed us, and I can find you to ask. A lot can happen in a year's time. Do you mean a year from now, or a year from the inauguration? How much time do you want to give him to destroy us?

Oh and ALL politicians lie... its in their DNA.

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm not sure they HAVE DNA, though. Wouldn't that mean they'd have to be mortal like the rest of us?



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