Pedophile says 'two strikes' law will cause deaths

reply to post by Harlequin


I posted something about this a few pages back.. I would think that the age to be prosecuted for any crime would be the age at which you could recieve the death penalty, in the UK it's either 16 or 18 I'm not sure.

So for a kid of 14.. jeez, it would probably have to be an attempt at a correctional facility, either that or death penalty when they hit the legal age for full prosecution. It's wrong what they've done but the age for prosecution over here is the age I would say people can be held fully responsible for their own actions.

sp for a 14 year old - give them rehab but for a 16 year old hang `em ?

reply to post by Harlequin


Well I'd probably say 18 to be honest.. but I'm not sure what the general prosecution age is over here.

The other thing is that with the re-offence rates of people like that, how can you release them when they turn 18 knowing they'll more than likely offend again

reply to post by ItsallCrazy


the sme arguement can be applied for a 12 year old - being sexually aware , and obviously more than capabale of performing `the act` there is a good chance they will do it again.

reply to post by Harlequin


That's true but the problem people will want a uniformed stance against such crimes but others will cry out that it's barbaric to execute someone so young even though the likelihood is that they'll do it again.. wow, the argument has come full circle lol

Originally posted by Harlequin
and what of all teh `children` 11 , 12 year olds raping 4 year olds? a number of thread on ATS over the last few days have said just that

the gang rapes by 14 year olds.

what of them?

terra IS right on that issue - where do you draw the line?

if you say padeo`s cant be rehabilitated - does that count for all those who rape children? including the 11 year olds who rape 4 year olds?

Pedophiles often start their "careers" in this early teens age group.

The most likely time you have to rehab them is going to be while their brain is still developing. Before they have 10 or more years of reinforcing sexual behaviours by the time they are adults between their porn and their victims.

There are those who sexually assault a child who are not pedophiles, but just screwed up opportunists. These are a seperate category of criminal sociopath. The victim doesn't matter - just that they have a victim. This is different than the pedophile who targets children.

In boys, brain development is still dynamic until about 20. However, the part that is missing around the 16-20 age group isn't their sexual development so much as their ability to understand consequences and risk. Sexual mental development may still be somewhat pliable in the 16 and 17 year old. The cut off has to be somewhere, so in the interests of finding a reasonable accomodation one could assume that the normal "adult" cut off would suffice. Criminal is an adult, with adult-like-set-sexual-mental-development even if they are missing some understanding of consequences and risk. 16 year old has committed a crime, but may still have a window of opportunity available to address their sexual mental dysfuction and the personality disorder they surely have as well.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by mhinsey
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They smile. The live, but I don't see the bright light in their eyes like before. They seem colder and sooo much more sad. That is the ones that were raped. As for the children who grew up.. They are the most f... messed up persons that I know. They have no trust and have no lasting relationships because they sabatage them unconsciously or consciously I don't know.

It is depressing and hard for me to see them sometimes when they are in their depressed states. They are ALL in a depressed state on a regular basis.

So, I can see the physical change as well as the mental change. One of my good friends had suppressed the child molestation until almost senior grade in high school. She remembered. Totally messed her up. Complete personality change.

[edit on 20-6-2009 by mhinsey]

That is so sad. How many people like that do you know?

NONE of them live happy lives?

Not really. They have an occasional good day. They fake the rest. I have been fortunate (or unfortunate) that I was close to multiple victims who understood that I did not judge them for their messed up ways. And they did some messed up stuff... to theirself... not to others.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
I don't want my children to live in a world with child molestation OR the death penalty.

You don't have to choose.

that makes NO sense. I will never understand a pacifist and a pacifist will never understand until it is his/her child.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Kailassa
So in my eyes the argument that stricter laws would cause more paedophiles to murder their victims is null.
They have already murdered their victims.

Well, no.

You haven't been murdered. You're still living your life and you've obviously got the ability to type a coherent post here in a public forum.

Part of you may have changed but it's not like you have been murdered.

Some victims are probably more resilient than others and can overcome what's been done to them. Other victims, hmmm... Note, I am not blaming victims. I'll never ever blame victims. However, victims do have a choice about how they can possibly recover, or not.

One of the most caring bits of advice I was given was "Suck it up and get on with it".

that has got to be the most idiotic thing someone was told to do for a sexual victim! Please go thunk that idiot upside the head.

Honestly these people shouldnt be given any "help" these are the scum of the earth, they no what they are doing is wrong. there shouldnt even be 1 strike let alone 2. I think the only way of dealing with them is castration, it is a proven way of stopping their disgusting fantasies. As for the post about a consenting 12 year old, how the hell can a 12 year old girl consent, 16 year old girls are often quite immature about sex and are sometimes pressured and taken advantage of.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by mhinsey
I will live with the guilt of a death on my conscience because it will also be with the knowledge that the rapist/molester will NEVER do that again.

How heroic and noble of you.

However, you've killed a child. You have to die. There's no place in your perfect world for child rapists, so naturally there's no place in your perfect world for child killers - like you.

Sorry, but you'll have to be put down, just like the child-animal that you put down.

If a 12 year old rapes someone and tries to rape someone else then they are not a CHILD, they are a predator. The rule would not apply here.

Someone dumped a dog off out here in the country where I live. It was just a pup but it killed all my chickens. Didn't eat them just killed them for the sport of it, I guess. Didn't bother me at all to shoot that dog even though it was just a pup. It had already shown what it was capable of.

Remember, nits grow into lice.