First 'Stab-Proof' Knife to Go on Sale in the U.K.

I used to teach knife and bayonet fighting to my unit in another existence.

Round, smooth, pointed, sharp or blunt, a knife can still be used as a low velocity impact weapon.

My favourite thing about the knife is that it allows the assailant to get up close and engage the enemy in one on one combat.

Forget the Hollywood crap about silent kills with a knife. If you stick someone with a knife in the wrong place, they will scream their heads off.

Sticking somebody in the neck, back or chest and they will thrash about, making an awful racket and, what's worse, they'll cover you in red!

Only one thing better than a knife for close combat where you don't have a firearm, and that's a single strand piano wire garrotte!

this just wrong guns and knives don't kill people PEOPLE kill people lock up all the idiots doing the killing problem solved. but seriously this is just stupid crap they have all these stabbings hmm maybe if you beefed up all the bobies with hand guns and put more of them on streets and less cc cameras maybe youi might get less murders?

I suppose you don't approve of small kids using scissors with rounded ends either. And what kind of sissy gun has a safety catch? Safety is for wimps!

Originally posted by mattifikation
The U.K. better go ahead and introduce some kind of mitten that renders the hand completely useless, now that they've tackled knife crime with this revolutionary new invention.

I don't get why all the Americans on here are acting as if this is a government initiative to reduce knife crime. It's a private businessman seeing what he believes to be a gap in the market and trying to do some good whilst making some money.

Naive? Absolutely
Nanny-state? Not on your lives. It's got nothing to do with the Govt. These knives are not compulsory government issue.

It's just an entrepreneur embodying capitalist principles and trying to make a "buck", i thought you lot were all mad on that?

Engage your brains, folks.

reply to post by CRB86


It's not the knife, the maker of the knife, or the government of the U.K. I'm criticizing. It's the fear. People should be allowed to defend themselves... they shouldn't have to live in fear. Why are people always relying on the police to I.D. their bodies, and cameras to I.D. their killers - Instead of their own ability to save themselves from being killed in the first place?

The most startling thing I heard yesterday on the BBC 1 Lunchtime News, was that the United Kingdom has been declared to be the most violent country in the Western world! by the EU.

Now, I for one, cannot see that a few minor scuffles between knife wielding crazies or the odd drive by shooting, makes this the most violent country in the Western world.

I thought that title belonged to the United States? I even thought that France was a more dangerous place to live?

What about Germany where, apparently, Nazism is again rearing it's ugly head?

However, on closer inspection of the figures, I discovered some startling facts:

It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

OMG!

The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

OMG!

The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.

OMG!

If that does not beat all:

It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France

OMG!

Down the page, I came across this:

But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

OMG!

Guess what? We even manage to beat the Yanks, Cannocks, Aussies and Mr Robert's murderers in Zimbabwe!

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

OMG!

At least the UK came top in something and it's always great to beat the Aussia but, what am I to do?

I'm gonna hunker down behind a pile of stab proof vests, wearing some army issue body armour, ready to defend myself with my stab proof knife!

Bring it on!

Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by CRB86

 

It's not the knife, the maker of the knife, or the government of the U.K. I'm criticizing. It's the fear. People should be allowed to defend themselves... they shouldn't have to live in fear. Why are people always relying on the police to I.D. their bodies, and cameras to I.D. their killers - Instead of their own ability to save themselves from being killed in the first place?

You are allowed to defend yourself. 'Reasonable force' is permitted in this country.

A lot of people seem to be taking the example of America and applying it directly to Britain. We don't want guns here. We especially don't want the police to have guns. We do things differently, have done for the 800 or so years before America existed, and will continue to do so long into the future.

reply to post by CRB86


You're allowed to defend yourself with what, exactly... your wit and charm? I'm sure if somebody's decided they want to kill/rob/kidnap/assault/rape you, they've gone well beyond the point where they care if they're actually allowed to be carrying a huge knife or a black market gun on them...

Those people are out there. They love laws that ban guns and knives, because now they know their victims don't have any. Tradition won't stitch shut a knife wound, and stubbornness won't pick your brains back up off the sidewalk. But it's not tradition that causes people to ban guns... it's fear.

Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by CRB86

 

You're allowed to defend yourself with what, exactly... your wit and charm?

Whatever you can get your hands on, as long as its proportional. This is the law.

I'm sure if somebody's decided they want to kill/rob/kidnap/assault/rape you, they've gone well beyond the point where they care if they're actually allowed to be carrying a huge knife or a black market gun on them...

Well, yes, that goes without saying. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Those people are out there. They love laws that ban guns and knives, because now they know their victims don't have any. Tradition won't stitch shut a knife wound, and stubbornness won't pick your brains back up off the sidewalk.

It's nothing to do with 'tradition' or 'stubbornness'. It's mentality. Our respective countries have very different national mentalities. Just because something is a certain way in one country doesn't mean that it should be in the other. You have your gun laws. Fine. We have ours. Fine. We both think each other mad for not doing things our way, but at the end of the day the majority of people are happy in your country with guns, and the majority are happy in our country without guns. C'est La Vie.

But it's not tradition that causes people to ban guns... it's fear.

Yeah, you're right. Fear of everybody in the country suddenly having the means to shoot anybody else.

"most violent country in the Western world"

I think you need to check your figures...homicides still run at around 16,000 a year for the US and less than 800 for the UK. Figure out the rates yourself.

There are plenty of burglaries in the UK; everyone has a burglary story, we've been burgled twice but people really don't mind that much. It's certainly not worth shooting soemone over.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by Wembley]

Originally posted by Wembley

There are plenty of burglaries in the UK; everyone has a burglary story, we've been burgled twice but people really don't mind that much. It's certainly not worth shooting soemone over.

And that folks is the kind of delusional mentality that got the Brits into the social nightmare they are currently in.

Question is, are we capable of such crass stupidity?

reply to post by Retseh


Dear Mr. Retseh. I went out earlier looking for this social nightmare you speak of. I couldn't find it anywhere. As you obviously are so in touch with what happens in my country, or at least the Daily Fail website, could you please tell me where i can find said nightmare? All i found was several people having a BBQ and some people walking their dogs.

Many thanks,
Concerned Britisher.

Originally posted by Retseh
Question is, are we capable of such crass stupidity?

Yes, we are capable of it, eventually. It is sort of the opposite of Nazi-style rule while still being tyrannical.

Nazi = most people are animals, so we should put them out of their misery to build a better future.

Socialist = most people are animals, so we should build a future where the animals can live in safe cages.

Personally, as I age, I find that life experience is driving me toward more acceptance of the harsher ideal. The sad truth is that not only are most people animals, but most of them have no interest in being anything else. In other words, some/many/most people are just no damned good and are not worth our sympathy.

If they break into my house, they better hope I am not home.

reply to post by CRB86


And what if there's nothing to get your hands on? See, the "whatever you can get your hands on" part is the whole point between carrying weapons. If you're wearing something under your clothing, it's always there. If somebody jumps out of the shadows at you with a butcher's knife or a snub nose revolver, what's going to be just laying around that can save your life? Nothing.

That's why I like having the right to have my own answer to those questions safely hidden somewhere on my person.

reply to post by Wembley


Wembley you are exactly what is wrong with the way people think in the uk,not my fault it was the heat of the moment excuses excuses,the ONLY thing they regret once they stab someone is the sentence they are going to get,a lack of responsibility for our own actions and feeling sorry for the perpetrator and this is were we are at in the uk,stab proof knifes f**** mental.

Personally i think if you can feel sorry for the people who create harm then YOU are as bad as them,enough bring back capital punishment and then you will see the drop in knife attacks

This actually happened to an acquaintance of my wife who has mental health problems and stabbed her husband during a domestic argument - she was extremely upset afterwards. If it had been a blunt knife they would have forgotten about it soon afterwards, instead he went to casualty, the police were involved and it was very unpleasant for all concerned. There was no suggestion it was premeditated, they just had an argument while preparing dinner.

I hope you never have to deal with anyone with mental health, alchohol or drug problems - did you never have to drag a drunken friend away from getting into a fight? Have you never had to deal with someone out of their mind with grief and threatening to kill themselves? In the real world even good people can do bad things...and I know plenty of people who had did criminal things in their youth and who are now thoroughly respectable.

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Eyeswilldeceive, I have given you a great big blue star. Not because of your post which is valid but because you, like me, a masters of stating the bleeding obvious.

I am sick and tired of coming to threads like this and reading posts from people winging about this and that.

Get real people. You get the government you voted for. This Labour government is a friggin joke.

ALL crime in this country warrants the severest of consequencies and therefore the harshest possible of punishments.

In the meantime however we will still have these stupid charts which appear to show knife crime as 'falling' whilst violent knife assaults are on the rise.

If you people want to feel safe in your beds at night as you sleep, then vote for the English Democratic Party or the BNP.

THEY appear [from their manifestos] to be ready from day one to crack down of crime with a 'zero tolerence'!

The Home Secretary Alan Johnson is a joke. A wimper instead of a roar.

BBC News today report that during the current Anti-Knife drive the death toll is actually up! Goes to show that no matter what you do to 'try' and keep people safe they will still find other ways of hurting each other.

In its first nine months, 126 people died after being attacked with a knife or other sharp object - seven more than in the same period the previous year.

Overall knife-related violence fell by 10%, but the number of deaths among teenagers remains unchanged.

They also state that there is to be tougher sentences for those caught carrying knives - wonder if you get a lesser sentence for carrying the round tipped knife!

Here is the report if you are interested

[edit on 22-7-2009 by Enril]

Originally posted by EnrilThey also state that there is to be tougher sentences for those caught carrying knives - wonder if you get a lesser sentence for carrying the round tipped knife!

At last this politically correct Labour government is getting something right.

If I were a knife toting villain, the thought of a verbal warning or God forbid! an ASBO, would absolutely terrify me!

Make no mistakes peeps and let's face it, under this government, that's all they'd get.

I'll be getting me one of those as soon as I get rich.