Sarah Palin accepts David Letterman's apology

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by sos37

 

But I don't find it vulgar like the one Letterman told.

You're perfectly demonstrating my point of why the right cares about this. You're using the same hypocrisy that you claim the left is.

Oh, I'll find it. Will you stop making claims about people attacking Palin's children now though? So far you haven't produced any evidence of the "left" attacking her underage children as you keep stating.

I already posted in response to Intrepid's video that I don't think Letterman was talking about the 14-year old (I didn't say anything about the "left", that's something you made up).

Apparently you have tunnel vision. My last few posts have been about this: I do believe you are defending Letterman in this case because it involves Bristol Palin, the daughter of Sarah Palin who is a woman many liberal women love to hate. I believe you would feel differently about Chelsea Clinton if the tables were turned because her mother is Hilary Clinton, a liberal mother whom you side with more, politically.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by sos37

 

But I don't find it vulgar like the one Letterman told.

You're perfectly demonstrating my point of why the right cares about this. You're using the same hypocrisy that you claim the left is.

Wait - what hypocracy am I using here? I find both jokes tasteless, however the sexually explicit jokes I find vulgar. The difference is that no sexually explicit jokes were made about Chelsea Clinton - thus there is no hypocracy being shown here. If he had made a sexually explicit joke about Chelsea then yes I would certainly have also found that vulgar, too.

I think it's all ridiculous.

First off, he made the jokes about the one of the legal age but his team made a mistake and didn't pay enough attention to who was actually at the game with her they either assumed both daughters were there or there it was just the older one, a misunderstanding, him/his writers would have made these jokes intentionally about a teen girl, it was a mistake, oh oh no!! maybe it's a conspiracy and he's just a liar trying to cover his tracks..come one now, not EVERYONE falls into that over used and abused role

2nd Since he meant for it to be towards the older girl there is nothing disgusting about what he had to say she already got knocked up so big deal herself the minute she get pregnant, not only does she put herself in the public eye with her white trash baby daddy drama plus her hypocritical "abstinence is best" speeches but her mother put her in the spot light to begin with.

3rd anyone who thinks Letterman should be "punished" is just ridiculous why don't you focus on getting real trash off the TV like Dog The Bounty Hunter who said truly appalling things and still manages to have his own TV show.
Instead of focusing on such "fluff".
If people are passionately effected by the sexual exploitation of young children why don't you go after the true criminals the ones in the entertainment business who put 15 year old girls in sex scenes or the mothers of young girl pop stars who tell them to put a little extra hip thrusts in their dance moves, or go after the men of all ages(who may be sitting in your very own home like a boyfriend/son/husband/father who make jokes and exploit small children on the internet by joking about having sexual relations with little girls age new born - 12 years old and add to the world of child pornography if you seriously want to make a change with your strong convictions why not go do something about it in the areas where it is in real need of someone to make a voice/stand for these children who are really being exploited/violated instead of focusing on this BS it would be much more productive.

Well, that's big of her! If you ask me, it should have been A-Rod who should have been the most upset about the joke!

Originally posted by sos37

Let's do ourselves a favor and get real here Kosmic - You act like Palin is the first person out there to ever over-escalate a situation. If it's just the over-escalation of nonsense that you feel so strongly toward then I expect you to feel the same way every single time Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton make mountains out of molehills.

Yeah, they bug me too.

As does over-escalation of nonsense in general on ATS.

Oh, and you can add false indignation to that as well... (hint!)

[edit on 16/6/2009 by kosmicjack]

reply to post by sos37

I believe you would feel differently about Chelsea Clinton

I already stated I wouldn't, I'm done debating with you if you refuse to acknowledge this and that your statements about the left attacking Palin's underage children are wrong. Just because you admitted Letterman was not attacking Willow does not wipe away your statements that the left is out to get her entire family, including those children.

The difference is that no sexually explicit jokes were made about Chelsea Clinton - thus there is no hypocracy being shown here.

That wasn't my point, my point is you are ignoring when the right does the very thing you are accusing the left of doing. You, like Palin, keep making this a left/right issue, left wing media against the right, etc, when it isn't.

Another win for the overly sensitive neo-con PC movement, that symbolizes the right wing agenda to have us all afraid to tell a joke about anything that may offend some group out there.

Oh wait...I thought that was the "liberal left"?

Oh dear.
Where's the anti-Christ when you need him?

- Lee

It was a joke told by a late night comedian and palin took as an opportunity to hit the airwaves to take on the "issues".

just my opinion.

Originally posted by intrepid
Oh please, he's been doing this for longer than a lot of you have been alive. He's BBQ'd Reagan, H.W., ALL the Clintons, Dubya and you can be assured when he has that ammo he's going to do Obama as well. Too soon though.

This is the new age though where thin skinned people complain about a joke. Where were the complaints and apologies over the tens of thousands of jokes he's told about all of the above?

Secondly, this crowd here at ATS is so big on 1st Amendment rights but this barks their onion and that goes out the window. Seriously folks you've gotta lighten up. He's a comedian.

first i thought it was funny

second while i am no palin "fan" but if he said this about your child would you not feel that it is your motherly response to say something......like hey my girl is not a Sl^t..................don't blame her at all

Letterman made a couple apologies....the first one was not a real apology....it was a laugher...i mean he was laughing thru it......

but i would bet that the network responded to ANGRY viewers calling and saying they would never watch the show again and make a stink about it unless dave offered a apology that sounded "sincere"......and then he did....it's called the politics of showbiz.......say something you think is funny....someone get's upset....this snowballs......then apologize to save your reputation

and i don't see this as a hypocracy regarding first amendment freedom of speech by those complaining.......i'm sure these people say he can say whatever he wants.....but that doesn't mean his opinion has to be agreed with ....lol........ we all know that there are consequences when you say certain things on the Airwaves.......and because this joke got mixed up (14 y/old vs. 18 y/old) this happened to be on of those times

[edit on 16-6-2009 by cpdaman]

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second while i am no palin "fan" but if he said this about your child would you not feel that it is your motherly response to say something......like hey my girl is not a Sl^t..................don't blame her at all

Which I think would be more understandable if she left it at that, instead she made it into a political issue.

but i would bet that the network responded to ANGRY viewers calling and saying they would never watch the show again and make a stink about it unless dave offered a apology that sounded "sincere"

His ratings were doing really well after the joke and Palin making a fuss over it. I don't think viewership made him apologize, I think he was just tired of the political game it created, the easiest way to put it to rest was to say sorry.

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It is really simple. Had he told the same joke about one of the Obama girls the entire membership of the DNC would have demanded his head.

This was a Mother protecting her 14 year old daughter. Yes 14. Only the 14 year old was with her that day. Letterman changed that after the fact. How would you react?

Before I'm ganged up upon, I'm not a Republican nor did I vote for Sarah. She is a good person though and has done wonders for our State. Too bad she has had to endure the lies. The one on the Koss about her husband raping her daughter and her own child not being hers might have made her touchy.

The Koss is full of such sick people. I wish there were a Moderate Board somewhere, but we are too boring I guess. We don't lie all the time like the Right and Left do. We don't have to as Moderates don't do the terrible things the Right and Left do. Sad really as neither side seems to realize how out of whack they are.

This thread is an eye opener... It appears that it's ok to sexualize someones daughter, a mother to be and a sister, just because she is in the public eye.

A bit like saying it's OK to rape prostitutes, because hey, they asked for it and they are sluts anyway, so it's fair game.

You just wouldn't hear this sort of joke made at some 18 year old guys expense. I guess it's because you wimmin are just objects.

reply to post by badw0lf


When the women involved have put themselves at the forefront of the teenage pregnancy debate (both of which got knocked up before marriage! If I remember correctly, Track was born 7 months after the Palins got married.), you bet they are fair game! Now 14 year old Willow is off limits, but I think Letterman was refering to Bristol not Willow.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by JaxonRoberts]

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This thread is an eye opener... It appears that it's ok to sexualize someones daughter, a mother to be and a sister, just because she is in the public eye.

Yes, I happen to believe it's okay to make a crude joke about an adult woman. I never said the joke was tasteful, but I don't think it should be taken so seriously. If the right really cared about women being sexualized non of the popular right wing pundits would be popular. I thought it was the right that was always getting pissed off at double standards with women and political correctness? Would you be so offended if a similar joke was about Britol's old boyfriend? Do you only think women should be off limits or are tasteless jokes about men sexist too?

A bit like saying it's OK to rape prostitutes, because hey, they asked for it and they are sluts anyway, so it's fair game.

Making a joke and raping are entirely separate things, you're dramatizing the situation to make a weak point. Nice to know that anyone who disagrees with you apparently has no respect for women just because they don't stomp their foot over one crude joke.

You just wouldn't hear this sort of joke made at some 18 year old guys expense. I guess it's because you wimmin are just objects.

I hear jokes about young men too, sometimes I find them tasteless and sometimes they're just as funny as poking fun at women. Just like with the Bristol joke they're usually directed at a person, not an entire gender. Equating a joke about her to a cheap shot at all females is a pretty tall claim, but hey, it's your opinion. So, those conservatives attacking Sotomayor, are they attacking all women and all Latinos? Are people mocking Obama mocking all blacks?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by badw0lf

 

When the women involved have put themselves at the forefront of the teenage pregnancy debate (both of which got knocked up before marriage! If I remember correctly, Track was born 7 months after the Palins got married.), you bet they are fair game! Now 14 year old Willow is off limits, but I think Letterman was refering to Bristol not Willow.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by JaxonRoberts]

Sure, but my point was - which I don't think you understood - that women should not be treated like objects of sexual derision, no matter their age or their public views.

Women who have children out of wedlock while still in their late teens, are in no way "Fair Game" for salacious public comments, despite their public views which may contradict their own situation.

It's not so much letterman I'm referring to either, it's the people who are saying this young woman deserves to be treated with disrespect..

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Yes, I happen to believe it's okay to make a crude joke about an adult woman.

See, this is what I'm referring to. Would it be ok to make salacious jokes about your mother, in the local supermarket? I mean, she put herself in the public, so it should be ok for someone to discuss her sex life and infer that she is easy to get into bed?

No?

When did respecting someone stop being important.

I never said the joke was tasteful, but I don't think it should be taken so seriously.

If the people being joked about take it seriously, that is all that counts.

If I posted a thread about someone on another forum slandering their person in a humorous manner, and that thread seriously embarrassed them and caused them humiliation, I wouldn't go around high fiving people saying "Well she deserved it. She's Fair Game!"

Id see the pain I caused, and retract my comments.

A better person would not have taken the low road to laughs in the first place.

If the right really cared about women being sexualized non of the popular right wing pundits would be popular. I thought it was the right that was always getting pissed off at double standards with women and political correctness? Would you be so offended if a similar joke was about Britol's old boyfriend? Do you only think women should be off limits or are tasteless jokes about men sexist too?

Well I'm not right wing.

But I do see the double standards in today. It's OK to have a man strut around in a g-string at a hens night, and for anything to occur. No one goes on about it exploiting the bloke. And in my opinion, if that gets everyone smiling, so be it.

But you put a stripper at a bucks night, and the bra-burners are up in arms.

Regardless, if they choose to dance around naked, it gives no one any right to slander them publically, to denigrate them to nothing of worth and treat them with disrespect.

However, this is about a young lady and publically attacking her personally. That is not on, in my opinion. She did nothing to warrant being publically attacked for her personal and private choices.

As I said before, I am not so much arguing the point that letterman made a bad joke... it's the justification of it from people that I find offensive.

No woman, no man, deserve to have their worth belittled because of their personal lifestyle.

A bit like saying it's OK to rape prostitutes, because hey, they asked for it and they are sluts anyway, so it's fair game.

Making a joke and raping are entirely separate things, you're dramatizing the situation to make a weak point.

Oh twaddle. You're saying she is fair game. FAIR GAME?

Why? What gives anyone any right to treat her with such disrespect and cause her personal grief in public, just because of things she has done in her personal life which happen to conflict with statements made later?

Nothing she has done warrants being treated as an object. Anymore than if it were your own mother or sister.

I do not see it as any different than someone who thinks a prostitute deserved to be raped because she was obviously a slut and therefore Fair Game.

Note - I said THINKS. Not RAPES. Obviously the act is a far from from a joke, and something I'm familiar with having had a close relative suffer it.

BUT the mind set of people who lay blame on the victim is no different.

Someone in Australia once said that it is a woman's fault if she is raped, if she wears skimpy clothing, saying "Who's fault is it if you put bare meat on the street, and the cats come along and eat it? Is it the cats fault? No it is the meats fault. If she was in her house, in her home where she belongs, she would not have been in that situation."

That was in response to a gang rape of a teenage girl, btw, when one of the perpetrators subsequently got 55 years in jail.

Nice to know that anyone who disagrees with you apparently has no respect for women just because they don't stomp their foot over one crude joke.

It is not that you are not stomping your feet, I don't care if you do an irish jig about it. It's your opinion that she somehow deserves it. Fair Game.

Almost scientologist in it's sound....

You just wouldn't hear this sort of joke made at some 18 year old guys expense. I guess it's because you wimmin are just objects.

I hear jokes about young men too, sometimes I find them tasteless and sometimes they're just as funny as poking fun at women. Just like with the Bristol joke they're usually directed at a person, not an entire gender. Equating a joke about her to a cheap shot at all females is a pretty tall claim, but hey, it's your opinion. So, those conservatives attacking Sotomayor, are they attacking all women and all Latinos? Are people mocking Obama mocking all blacks?

As I said up there, there is indeed a double standard with gender based situations, no matter if it's a trade, a profession or humorous.

I've never heard a salacious joke about prince harry or prince william. I guess they being males, it's funnier to attack them for other things, but with women, the sad goldmine of sexual attacks is still alive and well.

Either way, I wont be opening doors for blokes anytime soon, but will still be courteous and do that for women - at least here some still appreciate that.

"Women and children first!" - 1909
"Bugger off, they can drown just as well as I can!" - 2009

reply to post by whaaa


Will Palin now apologise for calling Letterman a dirty old man? Her comments were near libelous.

reply to post by badw0lf


Exactly the way I feel about it, though you were able to articulate it in a way I could not. Star for you.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by whaaa

 

Will Palin now apologise for calling Letterman a dirty old man? Her comments were near libelous.

No, and she shouldn't have to. A 62 year-old man telling sexually perverse jokes about an 18 year-old girl - that sounds like a dirty old man to me.

Take the supermarket analogy. If you saw an old man (in his 60s) watching an 18 year old girl pass by and then he cracks some sexually explicit joke to you about her, would you not thing he was a dirty old man?

Letterman is no different just because he's a "comedian" and he's been doing it for 30+ years. It's still disrespectful.

Good luck finding a court judge who doesn't agree on that one.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


So I take it you weren't able to find evidence of another comedian cracking sexually explicit jokes about another politician's daughter then?

And I'll make this statement - you may not be offended by those sexually explicit jokes, and that's fine. But if you actually find them funny then I would say you do not respect other women as much as you could. And being that you're a female who ascribes to liberal/moderate values, that's really surprising. You're only hurting your own gender's rights movement by perpetuating that kind of disrespect.