Scientist believes Atlantis found...

The quest to find the lost city of Atlantis has begun in earnest off Cyprus's southern shores.

A US-led team of explorers claims the ancient city lies on the seabed between Cyprus and Syria.

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This is exciting if it turns out to be true.

(if this is already posted...I couldn't find it.)
Small story for such a big event.

hmmmmm could be that THIS is the contenent of Mu.....instead of Atlantis (at least from its global position) hmmmmmmmmmmm

that is very exciting! i always figured that if atlantis were found it would be found in either in the medeiteranean or in the black sea.

what's mu though?

I wonder what artifacts they will find. According to Plato, Atlantis was a thriving populace around 11,600 years ago. If any technological items were found, do you think that "they" will allow them to be shown to the general public?

EDIT: cmdrkeenkid - Mu or Lemuria is an older version of Atlantis. Lemuria is rumored to be the location of the Garden of Eden. It is from there, civilization spread to Atlantis and other parts of the world.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by darklanser]

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
hmmmmm could be that THIS is the contenent of Mu.....instead of Atlantis (at least from its global position) hmmmmmmmmmmm

I had thought Mu (Lemuria) was believed to be in the southern Pacific Ocean, between North America and Asia? I'd be very interested if you have any further info on this

A website on the expedition to Atlantis with pictures of the crew and equipment:
www.aquatec-innerspace.com...

If it was up to archeologists Atlantis would be all over the Earth as they have found many traces of civilizations that are similar to what Atlantis was all over. It could be that all those discoveries are just cities founded by the survivors of Atlantis and they tried to make those cities as similar to Atlantis as possible.

There have been discoveries in the Atlantic, off the coast of Cuba, in the bimini area and surrounding areas which seem to point that great cities were where it is usually believed that Atlantis rests.

That's right, but so far it's only those "it seems that...".

Personally, I think it is possible and reasonnable to believe that such a city existed, but I think highly unlikely that it was as marvelous as described by Plato. It was just a city, 12,000 years ago. Now, I must admit that it would be by far the earliest city as such discovered if it is ever...

Against it, archeological studies show that all overs the world, civilization began to develop independantly. The old Japanese, Chinese, Sumerian, Egyptian, Inca, Maya, all the others, have been developing thousands of miles and years apart! Those who pretend that there are links, such as the facts for example that they "all" (not all actually) build pyramids should think about this: their pyramids are very different in shape and size, and in their purported use also, and then, the only way to have a very high structure built at those times was to have a pyramid! No other building was strong enough.

Also, the fact that a lot of old writings (like the hieroglyphs from Egypt, Mayans, Incas to quote only those) seem tu use the same representations at first is no evidence of a link between them. The pictures don't look alike, and their meanings are not the same. They were developed sometimes thousands of years apart: the Egyptians had long lost their hieroglyphic writing (they were writing in similar arabic they're using now) when the mayas wrote their symbols on their temples, those pyramids that were not temples in Egypt, but burial places.

So finally, I think possible that a big thing like the Atlantis could exist, but it is not the source of the civilization on earth. Maybe, just maybe an old one that's lost now. And maybe there are several out there in the oceans, all different.

Originally posted by Muaddib
If it was up to archeologists Atlantis would be all over the Earth as they have found many traces of civilizations that are similar to what Atlantis was all over.

No, we haven't. In fact, there is NO archaeological evidence for Atlantis anywhere. We had an old thread about ancient sources, and the sole ancient source is Plato. As far as scholars are able to determine, Atlantis is about as real as the Harry Potter school, Hogwarts.

There have been discoveries in the Atlantic, off the coast of Cuba, in the bimini area and surrounding areas which seem to point that great cities were where it is usually believed that Atlantis rests.

Actually, there haven't been. There've been some enthusiastic amateurs announcing all sorts of discoveries -- but the real "smoking gun" (which would be pottery, jewelry, and artifacts along with ships and buildings) aren't there.

I'll just add this link from Reuter :


www.reuters.com...

about as real as the Harry Potter school, Hogwarts.

Well that is actually a real place - some hall in the north country somewhere.

Atlantis? Who knows...

However, I do think that there are lots of things that could be found in areas such as this. When you're looking at things on a scale of thousands of years, you have to account for a lowered water table in those time periods. Therefore, any major culture of the time would likely have been based on the current shorelines due to trade, fishing, etc. As the water table rose, most of the old would have been lost...which matches what we see from our modern perspective pretty well.

Originally posted by Byrd
No, we haven't. In fact, there is NO archaeological evidence for Atlantis anywhere. We had an old thread about ancient sources, and the sole ancient source is Plato. As far as scholars are able to determine, Atlantis is about as real as the Harry Potter school, Hogwarts.

Byrd, for someone who claims to be an archeologist, or a scientist, you sure have said a lot of things that will make people think otherwise. Maybe its just that you were not well informed.

First you said that the Vedic scriptures do not say anything about an atomic explosion or anything similar to it, then you mention that these scriptures don't exist, proved you wrong on that, now this too?

Lets see what some scientists think.

"Atlantis Under Antarctica?

After WW II, scientists started to pay close attention to the issue of a supposedly once-existing civilization in Antarctica. The hypothesis is confirmed by some medieval maps and research of paleogeologists and glaciologists.

In January of 1820, Lieutenant of Russian Empire Fleet Mikhail Lazarev discovered a new continent. In the beginning of 20th century, a Russian encyclopaedia, while adducing the approximate square milage of south pole continent, reported that it was insufficiently explored and there was no flora and fauna. The author of the article also mentioned the richness of the algae and sea life.

Twenty years later, the director of the Istanbul National Museum, Khalil Edkhem, was sorting out a library of the Byzantine emperors in an old palace. He found an ancient map made on gazelle skin. On the map, there were the shores of western and southern Africa, as well as the northern shores of Antarctica. Khalil could not believe hiseyes: the shores of the Queen Mod Land, to the south of the 70th parallel, was free of ice. An ancient cartographer marked a mountain chain there. The name of the cartographer was known: an admiral of the Ottoman Empire fleet, Piri Reis, who lived in the first half of 16th century."

Excerpts taken from.
english.pravda.ru...


"The waters surrounding the offshore Penghu islands in the Taiwan Strait may contain ancient ruins belonging to a lost civilization, according to results of a preliminary study conducted by an organization formed by scientists and professional divers presented yesterday.

They may also find, however, that these underwater structures are just natural geological formations from volcanic eruptions of basalt lavas - the predominant rock type for the islands around Penghu - as some geoscientists have suggested.

Saying that they have evidence showing "possible man-made" structures in the Tong-Ji and Hsi-Ji islets, the preparation committee for the "Underwater Archaeological Society of the R.O.C." showed photographs and sonar sounding charts from their submarine investigation this past year during a press conference yesterday."

Excerpts taken from.
www.etaiwannews.com...


"Russian scientist believes, Atlantis lies between Gibraltar and the Azores

Doctor of Geology and Mineralogy, professor Alexander Gorodnitsky has recently celebrated his 70th birthday. This is a world-known scientist from the Russian Institute of Oceanology. Alexander Gorodnitsky is also known in Russia as a poet and a song writer.

Alexander Gorodnitsky chaired the laboratory of the marine geophysics at the Arctic Geology Research Institute in Leningrad. He took part in a lot of expeditions in various areas of the World Ocean, he explored the ocean at the depth of five kilometers in underwater vehicles. He was the first scientist in the world to calculate the lithosphere power. The professor published more than 260 scientific works, including eight studies about the geology and geophysics of the ocean floor."

Excerpts taken from.
english.pravda.ru...

"Atlantis 'obviously near Gibraltar'

A French scientist has pinpointed a possible location for Atlantis, the ancient and idyllic realm described by the Greek philosopher Plato and others.
Jacques Collina-Girard, from the University of the Mediterranean in Aix-en-Provence, says it could have been sited on an island close to the Strait of Gibraltar, and would have vanished below the waves about 11,000 years ago - just as Plato said it did."

Excerpts taken from.
news.bbc.co.uk...

This is another link about the French scientist and his theory.
www.umkc.edu...

Another link about the pre-historian French professor and his theory of Atlantis.
news.bbc.co.uk...

And yet another link from National Geographic on the pre-historian french professor's theory of Atlantis.
news.nationalgeographic.com...

"A team of explorers working off the western coast of Cuba say they have discovered what they think are the ruins of a submerged city built thousands of years ago.
Researchers from a Canadian company used sophisticated sonar equipment to find and film stone structures more than 2,000 feet (650 metres) below the sea's surface.

They say they still do not understand the exact nature of their discovery, and plan to start a thorough analysis of the site - off the tip of the Guanahacabibes Peninsula - in January.

Advanced Digital Communications is one of four firms working in a joint venture with President Fidel Castro's government to explore Cuban waters, which hold hundreds of treasure-laden ships from the Spanish colonial era.

Robot scanner

The explorers first spotted the underwater city last year, when scanning equipment started to produce images of symmetrically organized stone structures reminiscent of an urban development."

Excerpts taken from.
news.bbc.co.uk...



Muaddib-----How many cities like the one described in the link below could there be that we haven't discovered yet?--------

"By BBC News Online's Tom Housden
The remains of what has been described as a huge lost city may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history.

Marine scientists say archaeological remains discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old.

The vast city - which is five miles long and two miles wide - is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.

The site was discovered by chance last year by oceanographers from India's National Institute of Ocean Technology conducting a survey of pollution.

Using sidescan sonar - which sends a beam of sound waves down to the bottom of the ocean they identified huge geometrical structures at a depth of 120ft."

Excerpts taken from.
news.bbc.co.uk...


Muaddib----These are just some of the places where scientists have found some sort of evidence to the existance of Atlantis.----

[Edited on 4-5-2004 by Muaddib]

This is very inetersting!

why did Atlantis disappeared?

My theory was they were just as advanced as us. God then decided to restart sort of like restarting your computer. This has happened to the Mayans as well. Maybe the U.S will sink and technology will be restarted. If we found Ancient technology that would be so cool

The same reason that there are hundreds of other cities underwater, some of which we have found with pyramids and other large buildings. There seems to have been some natural, and in some instances, some not so natural catastrophes in the past. The tectonic plates move, sometimes creating major Earthquakes, and this shifting of the Earth's plates is one of the causes that cities have gone underwater in the past.

There are ancient egyptian myths which state Atlantis existed at least some 40,000 years ago.

Have fun, play nice.

Mu and Lemuria are NOT the same thing. This is an error commonly made by many.

Mu is a continent that was supposed to have existed in the mid-to-southern Pacific ocean, which is sometimes used to explain the large archipelago of islands populated by many different peoples all with similar history and culture.

Lemuria is NOT the same as Mu, although many often make the mistake of thinking that. Lemuria is a continent which is supposed to have existed in the Indian ocean, starting at Madagascar, extending to Sri Lanka and also a few islands near Australia. The name "Lemuria" comes from the animals known as "Lemurs", and the idea of "Lemuria" was originally created a long time ago to explain the very strange distribution of Lemurs across places in the Indian Ocean. You see, there are Lemurs in Madagascar, Sri Lanka, and throughout the Indian Ocean, and it has not yet been explained why they exist across such a wide range of places, yet are so far apart from each other. The idea of Lemuria was created in order to explain this.

Lemuria and Mu are NOT the same thing.

"Atlantis" is the name attention seeking, or funding seeking, scientists use to label any bunch of ruins that they don't have a name for.

Thats why it seems to be "all over the world".

"Scientists believe" is one of the most abused generalizations that you find in the media. The term can be used to justify anything that you want.

"Scientists believe that the moon is made of green cheese".

Byrd is right on the button, as usual for our resident attack academic.