Historic First Five Carriers from Four Different Countries

An historic first, five carriers, from four different countries, caught on camera in the Arabian Sea while taking part in "Operation Enduring Freedom"

From foreground to background, by columns: USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT with escort LEYTE GULF astern, ITS GARIBALDI with escort ZEFIERO, FNS CHARLES DE GAULLE with escort JEAN BART, HMS ILLUSTRIOUS with escort SOUTHAMPTON, and USS JOHN C STENNIS with escort PORT ROYAL

From: www.strategypage.com...



[Edited on 29-4-2004 by jetsetter]

very memorable even though they were ammassed for war its kinda inspiring seeing 4 countries work together

Where are the carriers? I see just 2 (OK. Maybe 2.5 )

[Edited on 30-4-2004 by longbow]

Originally posted by longbow
Where are the carriers? I see just 2 (OK. Maybe 2.5 )

[Edited on 30-4-2004 by longbow]

The one in the back row left, the one next to the carrier in the foreground and the one in the frong of the pack, that makes 4.

those forign carriers have nothing on a nimitz class carrier

Does anybody remember the USS Enterprise. Not the WWII carrier but the worlds first nuclear powered aircraft carrier. Shes still in service. Suprisingly it has virtually the same specs and apperance as a Nimitz.

Originally posted by cyberdude78
Does anybody remember the USS Enterprise. Not the WWII carrier but the worlds first nuclear powered aircraft carrier. Shes still in service. Suprisingly it has virtually the same specs and apperance as a Nimitz.

Yea, they decided that eight reactors were needed. Her top speed is still classified but apparently its limited the hull not the amount of avalible power. They also got rid of that funky looking phased array "disco ball" bridge a while back and replaced it with something like the Nimitz class currently has.

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
those forign carriers have nothing on a nimitz class carrier

dont be so sure.
i have a few ideas how a small carrier could wreck a nimitz.

Originally posted by FredT
Yea, they decided that eight reactors were needed. Her top speed is still classified but apparently its limited the hull not the amount of avalible power. They also got rid of that funky looking phased array "disco ball" bridge a while back and replaced it with something like the Nimitz class currently has.

The Enterprise is the world's largest ship (besides some supertankers).

The top speed, during trials in the Atlantic in the 1960s apparently exceeded 40 knots! Quite amazing, considering how big the ship is, and it's a testament to the power of eight nuclear reactors. But the pounding of the hull by the reactors turned out to be too much.

As for the disco ball radar, it was replaced in the late 1970s, after the first two Nimitz-class carriers were introduced with the SPS-49 and other systems.

Personally, I think the Enterprise is the best all-around carrier. It's big (can carry up to 100 aircraft as opposed to 90 on the Nimitz), very fast, and is the original supercarrier.

devil your small carrier would be sunk by the supporting destroyers before they even know what hit them the nimitz would tear it up if it ever came in its path. and I only see two maybe three carriers the rest look like fishing vessels.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
devil your small carrier would be sunk by the supporting destroyers before they even know what hit them the nimitz would tear it up if it ever came in its path. and I only see two maybe three carriers the rest look like fishing vessels.

There is 5 carriers but only 2 of them are really Carriers as we think of them. The others are Harrier equiped baby carriers. I agree they would be sunk before they ever got in range of a Nimits. The De Gaulle is by far the best of the EU carriers, but not in the same class as the Nirmits classs

Originally posted by WestPoint23
devil your small carrier would be sunk by the supporting destroyers before they even know what hit them the nimitz would tear it up if it ever came in its path. and I only see two maybe three carriers the rest look like fishing vessels.

do you even know naval tactics ?
no
you are an army man ,a person who knows not about tactics at sea.
hell if our frigates can sneak into your carrier groups i think a carrier can.
also of course it would bloody die to destroyers u fool. wtf do u think is the point in a destroyer? to act as a deck to which the admiral of the cbg can look out from ,no they're there to attack other ships how can you compare the two?

HAVE LITE

they are not there to attack other ships. uh....yes they are they protect the carrier and offer support plus the 85 aircraft on board will make sure you never get in range of the nimitz and what frigate are you talking about?
Check out the link above this will take care of the small carriers.





[edit on 30-6-2004 by WestPoint23]

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
[Personally, I think the Enterprise is the best all-around carrier. It's big (can carry up to 100 aircraft as opposed to 90 on the Nimitz), very fast, and is the original supercarrier.

As any squid worth the money he owes from the last poker game will tell you, the USS Forrestal CV(A)-59 was the U.S. Navy's, and world's first supercarrier.

Take your pick: Door #1, Door #2, or Door #3

west point they ARE there to destroy other ships or aircraft.
look it up destroyers = air and sea defense
also you cant keep 85+ aircraft in the air all the time. you cant launch 85+ aircraft that fast, you can launch 2 aircraft at a time.
also the frigate i talk about is a frigate managed to sneak into your carrier battle group and sink the carrier
also your battle groups aint so dificult our subs would get you considering we are the sub warfare exsperts

[edit on 1-7-2004 by devilwasp]

Originally posted by devilwasp
west point they ARE there to destroy other ships or aircraft.
look it up destroyers = air and sea defense

You forgot to mention that they also do USW work. In fact, destroyers are more geared towards USW and SUW than air defense. At least that is how it is in the US.

also you cant keep 85+ aircraft in the air all the time. you cant launch 85+ aircraft that fast, you can launch 2 aircraft at a time.

Actually you can get all aircraft in the air at once (except helicopters). With all four cats in operation you can clear a flight deck in under 20 minutes. Ever hear of an ALFA Strike?

also the frigate i talk about is a frigate managed to sneak into your carrier battle group and sink the carrier

Until you can provide proof of that I am going to continue to raise the BS flag everytime that you mention it. The carriers are too well protected for a frigate to sneak up and destroy it. Unlike you, I have been in situations like that. I have yet to see a frigate sized ship get close enough to even launch weapons.

i thought when i said "ships" i meant underwater ones too ours are geared up for that too.

yeah but 20 mins is a long time in combat

well i got it from mulitiple sources claiming that it happened from the royal navy service men and women. they said it went in at night and took it out by pretending to be another ship

Originally posted by devilwasp
yeah but 20 mins is a long time in combat

In the vast majority of cases the carrier would launch the planes well before it would be in a close combat position.

well i got it from mulitiple sources claiming that it happened from the royal navy service men and women. they said it went in at night and took it out by pretending to be another ship

Please, you expect us to believe that???

The carrier would have detected them well in advance and lauched a helo or had one of its escorting ships close in for a visual inspection as soon as it would have appeared on radar.

Since it occurred at night, how did this frigate know for a fact that it was the carrier? Did it close within visual range??

Your story is complete BS. There is no way that it could have happened like that. Whoever told you those stories is lieing to you. What probably happened was that they were sunk on the way to attempting to attack the carrier and did not want to admit it.

cool you dont believe anything do you

it is possible because there was civi vessels IN THE AREA also its a bit hard to miss a bloody CBG also when you have your radar on you are saying to the world "here i am". also it is possible so dont just keep saying oh its BS everytime i say something that clashes with your views.
i am prepared to belive that they were lying but how can 3 difrent people tell you basically the same story?
also at night if your displaying the proper lights at sea then they would believe you , do you think the US or RN sends a helicopter out to every ship that passes close to the CBG ? NO thats the answer

Originally posted by devilwasp
cool you dont believe anything do you

Yes I do, but this is too much for me to accept.

it is possible because there was civi vessels IN THE AREA also its a bit hard to miss a bloody CBG also when you have your radar on you are saying to the world "here i am". also it is possible so dont just keep saying oh its BS everytime i say something that clashes with your views.
i am prepared to belive that they were lying but how can 3 difrent people tell you basically the same story?
also at night if your displaying the proper lights at sea then they would believe you , do you think the US or RN sends a helicopter out to every ship that passes close to the CBG ? NO thats the answer

Let me start this off by quoting you:

do you even know naval tactics ?
no
you are an army man ,a person who knows not about tactics at sea.

Therefore, please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. I will now answer your questions for you in the order received.
First, if your frigate was operating its radar then the US ships would have picked it up and know that there was a combatant in the area. Knowing that they would have visually inspected every ship in the radar area for confimation of its identification. They could have done that by sending another ship to intercept, S-3, or helo. All of those sources would have had NODs or IR sights to see in the dark with.

I don't know why these people told you this little tale. In order for them to be true, they would have been allowed to close within weapons range. There is no way that they could have snuck up on the carrier.

BTW I do not say BS to everything that you say that clashes with my view. I only raise the BS flag when you are spewing BS.