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Originally posted by Satyr
Religion is not the sole reason they're attacking us. If you think so, you need to do a little studying. We've pretended to be friends with many of these people, then turned and stabbed them in the back. You can only do that so many times before someone gets pissed off.
I do not think it is the sole reason, but even you have to admit that it plays a part. For the most part the people themselves do not suffer or prosper as a result of our being friends with their government. That is especially true in the middle east.
I labeled you a hypocrite because you used the "Well, they do it!" argument in defense of those who use religious comments in reference to this war. If you fail to see the significance of the two, I'm afraid I can't explain it in such a way that you'll comprehend.
Originally posted by marg6043
One point may I? We have forgotten that the first holy war was christians agains the barbarians of the middle east. Has anybody forgotten about the crusades. Christianity stated the holy wars not the islamics.
Originally posted by Satyr
They attack when they have been screwed with, influenced, forced to do things they don't want to do, invaded repeatedly, when their enemies have been our friends because it was convenient...etc. That last one is probably the biggest reason.
Originally posted by COOL HAND
I was attempting to make the point that they are more extreme in their use of words in the religous context of the war to counter your point. Their god says he/she will punish us for being infidels. None of the christian forms of God are willing to condemn someone for their beliefs, just the terrorists skewed view of Islam
Originally posted by COOL HAND
They attack becuase they see us as a threat. We preach of equality and tolerance, which is unacceptable to them.
Have you ever been to a Muslim country? Do you see how they treat women just because they were born that way? Now imagine how they feel about someone who chooses to live a lifestyle that is a threat to the one they live.
Originally posted by Satyr
Originally posted by COOL HAND
I was attempting to make the point that they are more extreme in their use of words in the religous context of the war to counter your point. Their god says he/she will punish us for being infidels. None of the christian forms of God are willing to condemn someone for their beliefs, just the terrorists skewed view of Islam
Do what??? That's the very basis of religion!!! You're going to hell if you don't believe and obey! Where have you been?????
Originally posted by COOL HAND
Yes, but where else (but the terrorist skewed version of Islam) does it say that God him/herself will personally punish you for your beliefs?
I do not think it is the sole reason, but even you have to admit that it plays a part. For the most part the people themselves do not suffer or prosper as a result of our being friends with their government. That is especially true in the middle east.
Originally posted by Satyr
We changed, in due time. They will too, I'm sure of it. Although, their changes might not even resemble ours. They're not like us.
[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Satyr]
Originally posted by Satyr
Here's an example of what I was speaking of above...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This type of person can't see anything without contributing all to "god". If he pulls a booger out of his nostril, he thanks god for the ability to do so.
[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Satyr]
Originally posted by COOL HAND
Originally posted by Satyr
Here's an example of what I was speaking of above...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This type of person can't see anything without contributing all to "god". If he pulls a booger out of his nostril, he thanks god for the ability to do so.
[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Satyr]
Are you attempting to imply that anyone who believes in a religion is a slave to the deity at the head of the religion and that he believes in pre-determination?
Originally posted by Satyr
IMO, yes. But my point is more that, some people are incapable of contributing anything in their life to anything but god.
[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Satyr]
Originally posted by COOL HAND
Originally posted by Satyr
IMO, yes. But my point is more that, some people are incapable of contributing anything in their life to anything but god.
[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Satyr]
That is where the terrorist come in. They take advantage of that and use those people to further their efforts against the "infidels."
Originally posted by marg6043
Without changing the post. Satyr What in the world was that.? Is he for real? You don't have to answer.
Originally posted by Satyr
And American religious freaks don't? It's more like they're going to do whatever they end up doing anyway, while preaching that god wanted them to. But, they're going to contribute whatever the outcome to either god or satan....or whatever. They have very narrow, one track minds. Every religious extremist does. That's the one thing they all have in common.