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Originally posted by Uphill
Once the extreme right wingers go to the wall and fail, then and only then will the GOP have a chance to redefine itself. And I think that they will more successfully redefine themselves. We sure could use a political party that would accept a politician like Abraham Lincoln once again.
as it stands right now I don't see a single Republican out there who has even a snow ball's chance in hell of replicating for the GOP what Obama did for the Democrats.
Originally posted by jam321
Many GOP's will run as independents, get elected, and will reunite with the party once the party reforms itself.
They will still be Republicans at heart with a Republican type agenda.
yes but what does reform mean?
Originally posted by RRconservative
reply to post by jam321
It's hard for Republicans to attract minorities because we don't promise to give them everything and hold their hand while they walk across the street.
It's hard for Republicans to attract minorities because we don't promise to give them everything and hold their hand while they walk across the street.
Republicans need to continue to stress individuals, hard work, and achievement, and the fruits of achievement.
When you are up against Obama-Pelosi-Reid, the road back is not that long. Clean up the party and we will be back in control in no time!
Originally posted by Uphill
Perhaps the current time shows the endgame of extreme right wing conservatism battling for control of the GOP. I remember when Lou Dobbs interviewed Anne Coulter last year on his show, he expressed surprised that Anne did not support fiscal conservatism which Lou cited as a core Republican value. Anne's answer was revealing: "Those were the Republicans who LOST elections."
Originally posted by RRconservative
reply to post by grover
I was responding to the assertion that the GOP has to attract minorities. They don't. They have got to attract the individual. Rugged individualism made this country, not some government welfare program.
Originally posted by RRconservative
reply to post by jam321
It's hard for Republicans to attract minorities because we don't promise to give them everything and hold their hand while they walk across the street.
www.nytimes.com...
... With consensus growing among Republicans that the party is in its worst political position in recent memory, some conservatives applauded Mr. Specter’s departure. They said it cleared the way for the party to distance itself from its record of expanding government during the Bush years and to re-emphasize the calls for tax cuts and reduced federal spending that have dominated Republican thought for more than 30 years.
“We strayed from our principles of limited government, individual responsibility and economic freedom,” said Chris Chocola, a former Indiana congressman who is head of Club for Growth, a group that has financed primary challenges against Republicans it considers insufficiently conservative. “We have to adhere to those principles to rebuild the party. Those are the brand of the Republican Party, and people feel that we betrayed the brand.”
But Republican leaders in Washington argued that Republicans would be permanently marginalized unless they showed flexibility on social issues as well as economic ones.
Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the head of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said he would seek to recruit candidates who he thought could win in Democratic or swing states, even if it meant supporting candidates who might disagree with his own conservative views.
Mr. Cornyn said he was taking a page from Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the last head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, who led his party to big gains by embracing candidates who, for example, opposed abortion rights or gun control...
... Senator Lindsay Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said: “We are not losing blue states and shrinking as a party because we are not conservative enough. If we pursue a party that has no place for someone who agrees with me 70 percent of the time, that is based on an ideological purity test rather than a coalition test, then we are going to keep losing....”
Saying that their party should do more to draw economic contrasts with the Democrats, several Republicans said Mr. Specter’s departure was in effect a purification rite for the party that would make it better able to make its case to the public.
“I’m not hurt by Arlen Specter walking away,” said Michael Reagan, the son of former President Ronald Reagan and a conservative talk show host. “At least now the party doesn’t waste money supporting someone who does not support the party.”
“It’s interesting that people say the right has taken over the Republican Party — but no one can say what we’ve done,” Mr. Reagan said. “We’ve been closeted for the last eight years; it’s time for the right to come out of the closet.”
Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina said ideological purity was the road to success. “The best way to get to 60 is to have a core group of Republicans who really do what they say and stand for their principles,” Mr. DeMint said...
...The question of how the party should respond to Mr. Specter’s departure was the main subject of a Senate Republican lunch on Wednesday. The party can be a “big tent,” said Senator John Ensign of Nevada, “but here are some core principles: fiscal responsibility, more personal responsibility, looking for a smaller, more effective government.”
Mr. Graham scoffed at the notion that the party was suffering because it was not conservative enough.
“Do you really believe that we lost 18-to-34-year-olds by 19 percent, or we lost Hispanic voters, because we are not conservative enough?” he said. “No. This is a ridiculous line of thought. The truth is we lost young people because our Republican brand is tainted.”
Originally posted by grover
reply to post by jam321
That's an interesting idea... I am not so sure it would work though considering that they would still be the same people with pretty much the same ideas.
I would think that the party if it is to survive is to do what the Democrats did which was to move towards the middle until someone actually comes along with fresh ideas...
as it stands right now I don't see a single Republican out there who has even a snow ball's chance in hell of replicating for the GOP what Obama did for the Democrats.