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Internet closedown in Europe?

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posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 07:49 PM

Internet closedown in Europe?

A quiet removal of the European democracy!

On tuesday night there is goin to be a vote in the ITRE section of the European parlament where the parlamentists at the same time endangers to explain that it´s pointless to vote for candidates to the European parlament this june and that the EU are now left to not care about basic civil rights.
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posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 07:49 PM
After the verdict against TPB most swedish torrent sites are being shutdown as of today and in Swedens biggest newspaper Daily News (Dagens nyheter- we read about comments from our elected politicians saying that:

"Being able to use the internet has nothing to do with human rights."

In my opinion this is outrageous and a real treat to democracy.

Follow the links in this tread and please use f ex Google translator to translate the text wich is mostly in Swedish.
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 20-4-2009 by m4ng4n]

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 08:59 PM

Originally posted by m4ng4n

After the verdict against TPB most swedish torrent sites are being shutdown as of today

I would imagine that is in connection to the "pirate bay" case ?

Or it is at least a catalyst.


Doesn`t Sweden have some opt-out clauses regarding E.U membership ?
Sweden is not using the Euro etc .

[edit on 20-4-2009 by UmbraSumus]

[edit on 20-4-2009 by UmbraSumus]

posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 09:21 PM
reply to post by m4ng4n

This is shocking to say the least, do you really think that it would be in the best interest of Sweden to do such a thing in this modern day of technology?

Is this possibly a ploy on the part of the gov. to get people worked up and in a state of outrage? If so why and for what reason?

If it did happen there which I doubt, they would only be the first of many. But you know now that people ahve learned to communicate the way we do, nothing could ever reverse the way we share info and data. They would ahve to shut down the mail service and ham radio and many other means of communication.

posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 10:34 AM

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by m4ng4n

After the verdict against TPB most swedish torrent sites are being shutdown as of today

I would imagine that is in connection to the "pirate bay" case ?

Or it is at least a catalyst.


Doesn`t Sweden have some opt-out clauses regarding E.U membership ?
Sweden is not using the Euro etc .

[edit on 20-4-2009 by UmbraSumus]

[edit on 20-4-2009 by UmbraSumus]

This has little to do with the TPB trial. It´s an offspring from a swedish law called "the IPRED law" wich is active from 4/1 and It´s not a joke.
This law strains the population of Sweden just like the FEMA and Homeland Security in USA.

If a swede do something illegal OR if there´s a slight suspicion about a citizen doing something that treatens the law, the police has the right to confiscate every single piece of electronic equipment in that persons home without questions, no warrant etc

And they don´t even have to leave an explanation for it!!!

The same law is about to take affect in the rest of the European Union together with another law where the EU has the right to take a fee on internetoperators for providing internet to their customers aka the public.

Much like cable TV where you get what you pay for and the rest is very restricted.

There´s an uprising going on in Europe right in this moment and the European Parlament was about to vote in favor of the laws tonight but the people are revolting against it the EP has postponed the votings.


posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 10:56 AM
Translated from swedish newspaper Aftonbladet

Final Battle of the EU on freedom online

Battle to the end on the controversial telecom package - tonight voting EU industry committee. clarify concepts

Those who misbehave on the network in the future port operators.

The concern is when the so-called Telecoms Package will soon become a reality.

- Nonsense, says the Swedish Government sort out the concepts around the controversial EU package.

Telecoms Package is fundamentally about increasing competition in the network. Very good for the individual. Among other things, make it easier to switch mobile and broadband provider to choose.

But basic questions have come in the shadows, and instead is now a debate on freedom of the network.

The moderate EU parliamentarian Christofer Fjellner, representatives of copyright industry managed to get the wordings mentioning French bill where the operators, without trial, to be able to turn off Internet users such as engaging in illegal file sharing.
Voting was canceled

- I fear a development which puts the onus on operators to examine what we do online, "says Fjellner to Aftonbladet.

Therefore, he has written the amendment to ensure judicial review before someone turned off the network. Today the European Parliament's industry committee have voted on the package and the amendment with the number 138. Now, it is uncertain whether this happens. And it will be a vote, it may be a watered-down amendments that the Committee voted on, according to Jonas Pettersson, press secretary for the Center Party parliamentarians Lena Ek.

The Swedish Government says no to amendment 138. It is unnecessary, they argue.
Up to each Member State

- There is nothing in this package that says that you should turn off the people for what they do online, "says Henrik Hansson, a political expert at infrastrukturminister Åsa Torstensson.

- The question is up to each Member State to decide.

Henrik Hansson think Christofer Fjellner and Swedish parliamentarians who fight for the amendment only seeks to address Olle of the gate. There is nothing in the Telecoms Package, which is talking about shutting off the internet users. In contrast, such as France act on such laws, "said Hansson.

- They want to prevent other Member States to the national legislation. But if French politicians for stupid laws, it is up to them.

Henrik Hansson fear that other countries, in other matters, may compel specific as Sweden does not support this.

- I can understand their purpose, but it is wrong way to go.
Secure litigation

Christofer Fjellner disagree. After his amendment was first tried the current French President Nicolas Sarkozy to stop it - but got mothugg of European Commission President Manuel Barroso. That a small amendment reached the levels are under Fjellner a sign that this is important and crucial.

- The reason why the French want to pursue this in the whole of Europe is that the rules should apply everywhere, to be effective. It is therefore important that we have secure legal process, "says Christofer Fjellner.

The final vote is taken in the EU Parliament May 5. Even if the amendment is voted down today, or becomes too weak, the same proposal can be presented again in plenary. Until then hope Fjellner get enough to support his amendment.

- It will not be easy. But nothing that is really important is easy.

(Translated with Google translate)

posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 05:34 PM
Iknow that I´m posting a lot in this tread but still I hope for you people to find out whats going on in Europe!

"Tonight there has been a voting in the European Parlament about the limitations of european internet"

Translated from Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet

"European Parliament's industry committee has voted in this Appendix 138, now the additional 46, in telkompaketet.

It writes MEP Gunnar Hökmark on Twitter.

In addition, 46 states that a person may not be switched off from the Internet or otherwise devoid of its access to the internet without judicial review.

The EU Parliament has already voted for the addition of a 80-percent majority, but French President Nicolas Sarkozy has done its best to stop it. When the package came back to the Council of Ministers removed appendix.

Sarkozy lobbying hard the Hadopi law in France. A law to set up a new agency operating in consultation with the copyright industry. After three warnings about file sharing will hunt pirates shut off from the internet. The procedure would therefore prohibit additional 46.

Pressure has also been high from industries that would lose in an open internet.

The second and final vote in the European Parliament held May 5.

Sofia Ström"

[edit on 21-4-2009 by m4ng4n]

posted on May, 4 2009 @ 06:50 AM
This seems to be more an ISP push am I right?,to carve up the net into packages to $ell.(like all the vista packages) Premium will co$t you.

The internet as we know it is at risk because of proposed new EU rules going through end of April. Under the proposed new rules, broadband providers will be legally able to limit the number of websites you can look at, and to tell you whether or not you are allowed to use particular services. It will be dressed up as ‘new consumer options' which people can choose from. People will be offered TV-like packages - with a limited number of options for you to access......
*It means that the Internet will be packaged up and your ability to access and to put up content could be severely restricted.


I didn't see any reference to a "Filter" type restriction as the Australian government are still trying to implement.

Optus says 'yes' to internet filter plan Phillip Hudson April 23, 2009
OPTUS customers in Sydney and Newcastle will be asked to take part in the Federal Government's controversial test of internet filters. In a boost for the Government, the nation's second-largest internet service provider said yesterday it would take part in a six-week trial.


posted on May, 6 2009 @ 10:22 AM
Latest news as for the vote that took place late yesterday evening GMT.

Translated from Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet

""Today was a victory for democracy"

Parts of the so-called Telecoms Package was rejected of European Parliament today.

The compromise reached with the previous governments of the Member States fell.

- Today was a victory for democracy, says MEP Carl Schlyter (MP).

The discussions on parts of the Telecoms package has been intense.

Among other things, the proposal that decisions by national authorities relating to individual internet users to be tested by an independent body, such as a court, has been debated intensively. Today adopted the proposal of the EU Parliament.
'A victory'

It also means that the compromise reached between the Council of Ministers and EU Parliament fell - which means that parts of the Telecoms package must now be revised.

- It means that no one should be switched off from the internet without being processed in court first, "said Carl Schlyter.

- It is a victory for all the thousands of people who are committed to the issue. It was thanks to so many people involved as we won, "he says.
"Really sad"

- Trautmann report received additional requiring new negotiations, the won is now uncertain, writes MEP Gunnar Hökmark (M) on Twitter.

Another proposal would govern any limitations of the individual's access to, inter alia, the content appeared in the EU Parliament.

- It is really sad. Eva-Britt has fought for a really long time, "says Marlene Smith, the political secretary of MEP Eva-Britt Svensson (V).

- Here was a loss. We received a text MIXED-UP, "said Carl Schlyter."

So reads the text which was adopted:

"... No restrictions in the end-user rights and freedoms, notably under Article 11 of the Charter of fundamental rights of freedom of expression and information, may be effected without prior decision by the judicial authorities, except where public safety is endangered in the case, this ruling may come later. "

A small victory so far but more is definately yet to come!

[edit on 6-5-2009 by m4ng4n]

posted on May, 6 2009 @ 01:33 PM
I sure hope not! I have friends from Europe online.

That really sucks, I hope this isn't for real.

posted on May, 6 2009 @ 01:47 PM
This is all part of the global fight against freedom of information.

Australia has started blocking sites it doesn't like.
The US is working on a plan to halt all internet traffic as and when it sees fit to do so.
The UK is making noises about recording what people do on line, but recently conceded to allowing ISP's to record the data for them, but allow them access to it. Basically saving them time and money to accomplish the same thing anyway.

Governments know that the internet is the one place where information can be obtained and shared that they cannot control. So, they want to control it. Simples!


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