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Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
""Well, a reserve Military Intelligence Unit The 353rd Comm Recon Co (Scty) of the 7th was moved to Pennsylvania in 1954. ""
I think there's our answer right there Karl. I would bet that if we dug deep about the background of The 353rd Comm Recon we would hit a massive brick wall in terms of getting information about their activities and history.
Regional Encounters - the FC files. A century of UFO sightings and Close encounters in the Mid West. - Francis Ridge (pdf).
2007 – Michael Nelson’s bogus claims of recovering physical evidence related to the 1966 Portage County UFO Chase. Read Nelson’s paper in the 2007 MUFON Symposium Proceedings, then tear it out as none of it is based in fact.
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Rob Swiatek said...
Joe--
The Portage County UFO chase is a great case--one of the best in ufology, in my opinion. Unfortunately, beware of this man Nelson; he does the case a grave injustice. Not only is his supposed "new" information on the case suspect, but his own credentials are as well. An extensive background investigation of him revealed many disquieting details. But--damn it!--the specifics are not mine to release so we'll have to wait until the principal (a friend of mine whom I trust completely) chooses to do so. Bottom line: I personally don't accept any of the new information Nelson is ballyhooing.
Moreover, many of the facts of the Portage County case as Nelson relates them don't square with the crackerjack account of the case written at the time by William Weitzel, chief NICAP investigator of the incident (see, for example, Dell's FLYING SAUCERS, UFO REPORTS, October 1967, for Weitzel's report). And Nelson never even interviewed Weitzel or Richard Hall, former NICAP deputy director, both of whom live in the Washington, D.C., area! Needless to say, Nelson must be called out on all this.--Rob Swiatek
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Rob Swiatek said...
Joe and Bob K.--
The background information about Mike Nelson has been known since 2007, but has not been disseminated. I believe the reason this is becoming an issue only now, frankly, is because of the comments I posted on this blog. Certainly anyone knowledgeable about the facts of the Portage County sighting could have challenged Nelson at any time, of course, and maybe some have (although I'm not aware of any public refutation). The failure to do so might be a reluctance on the part of many serious researchers to engage in more controversy when there is so much else to do in both life and ufology.
By the way, Nelson approached the Center for UFO Studies with his information in 2007 and they saw right through him, refused to have anything to do with him, in fact. He was shown the door.--Rob Swiatek
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not sure how true it is yet, still checking.
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"Impressive, too was Michael Nelson’s talk on new information in the April 1966 Portage County, Ohio, Police-UFO chasecase. In 1985 Nelson, then a Portage County deputy sheriff, happened upon a set of unusual “cold” case files while cleaning outthe Sheriff’s Office, and was allowed to keep them. It was not until 1998 that Nelson, now a professional archaeologist nearing hisPh.D, actually sat down and began to review these files, which dealt with an in-house investigation of officers Spaur and Neff’s en-counter with the extraordinary, and Mike Nelson got hooked. As someone who had never given UFOs any consideration, what animated Nelson perhaps more than the subject matter (he would still consider himself an open-minded UFO-skeptic), was the in-justice done particularly to these two Ohio peace officers in the aftermath of their experience. Nelson’s new information fills insome details and raises some new questions and possibilities, particularly when a piece of material found at the initial site of theUFO’s appearance is fully analyzed and reported in his forthcoming book."
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Originally posted by easynow
thanks karl 12 and thank you for your help
Mufon seemed to be excited about Nelson and the info he was bringing to the table ? i would like to know why they let him do that presentation if they didn't even bother to check everything out before hand ?
By the way, Nelson approached the Center for UFO Studies with his information in 2007 and they saw right through him, refused to have anything to do with him, in fact. He was shown the door.
Rob Swiatek
Originally posted by treemanx
Man, its threads like this that keep me hanging around this site. I have been a tad disillusioned lately slogging through threads with endless bickering and whining. This thread has had me riveted to my chair for the last two hours, and finds me with sore eyes and twenty tabs open from chasing the great links you guys have posted here.
The UFO phenomenon was already decades old in 1966, but this sighting was one of the most dramatic -- and seemingly credible, coming from police officers -- ever reported..
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Major Hector Quintanilla called the next morning. In addition to the incident, they discussed the photograph. The major told Buchert he could release a grainy copy of the photo to the press, but that he should send the negatives directly to him. The chief readily agreed.
Only later did this seemingly routine request begin to look like a setup.
In January, Karl received a scanned version of the Buchert photograph through e-mail. After viewing the digitally enhanced image, Karl was not inclined to dismiss it as a processing glitch, as his father had done in 1966.
"The longer I look at it, the more fascinated I become," Karl says. "In the enhanced picture, it does have the classic [saucer] shape. There's the classic tilt forward, like the craft I've seen in the [Lazar] video.
His son Paul Hynek, a partner in the production company behind many episodes of the MTV series Driven and other reality-based projects, also has seen enhanced versions of the Buchert photo.
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Quintanilla left behind six children (Gene,Tessie,Karl,Nancy,Diane and Bob)and several grand children.
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Hynek's son Joel Hynek is an Oscar winning movie visual effects supervisor
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Florida Governor Haydon Burns - UFO Sighting
Co-pilot Herb Bates first noticed the UFO as the Convair took off from Orlando headed for Tallahassee (state capital). To him, the object or objects appeared as two bright yellow globes side by side. At about 6000 feet altitude in the vicinity of Ocala, everyone on board had been alerted and watched the UFO pace the plane on the starboard side. Some said the two bright lights were crescent shaped, and a dimmer connecting section or column of light was visible between them. The reddish or yellow-orange lights fluctuated in brightness, but were very distinct.
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Officer Neff
Today he lives in Florida "with two of them Taco Bell dogs."
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Joel Hynek is an Oscar winning movie visual effects supervisor who directed the design of the so-called camouflage effect from the movie Predator.
..'The Cleveland Scene' article also reports that Major Hector Quintanilla was focusing on golf after retirement from the Air Force, until a golf cart accident resulted in head injuries from which he never recovered, and he died in 1997. He lived long enough to see his son become a 'UFO Believer' who worked as a staff member on the production of several television UFO documentaries.
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Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
Thanks for that link to that pdf file Karl...
The archives cover a great deal of topics involved with the UFO subject such as historical and global reports, government documents, scientific papers, police encounters, newspaper articles etc.. as well as coverage of specific UFO incidents and press conferences from the Pentagon and U.N.
They also contain some very interesting interviews and comments from such people as Dr James E. Mcdonald, Hermann Oberth, Jan Aldrich, Francis Ridge, Ted Bloecher, Wendy Connors, Barry Greenwood etc.. and observations about government sponsered UFO panels like the Condon committee and Robertson Panel.
Major Donald Keyhoe's UFO Archives.
Originally posted by mcrom901
and if that doesn't quench your thirst for ufo mirages....... dive in....
The "Null Hypothesis" for UFO reports, of which I am one of a handful of champions, states that no extraordinary stimuli are required to produce the entire array of public UFO perceptions in all their rich variety, wonderment, and terror. Known phenomena have produced all types of what is commonly known as "UFO reports", including apparitions of flying disks, radar and radio interference, terrifying chases and "intelligent maneuvers", telepathic messages, "missing time" and hypnogenic narratives, recollections of participation in military UFO retrievals, actual "secret documents", and so forth. There seem to be no types of reports which have not been, on record, produced at some point or another by prosaic stimuli and/or circumstances.
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The Great UFO Wave: October, 1973
Greenfield, Ohio - Two police officers chased separate unidentified objects more than five miles last night. Patrolman Mike Conklin said the one he chased was about "100 feet in diameter and glowed with a bright white light. It had a red area on top of it, as if it was overheated, and made a dull humming sound that increased in frequency as the object increased in speed."
Conklin said he was able to drive his cruiser to within 100-feet of the object. "There were about 20 people out there looking at it at the time I was, so I know I'm not crazy," he added.
Sgt. Hugh Oyer said the object he chased also was white in color with a yellow glow at one end. "I never believed in UFOs until tonight," Oyer said.
"Some guy tried to tell me it was a star, but no star I've ever seen made a humming sound or jumped up and down or was so near the ground."
The Cincinnati Post, page 1 October 17, 1973
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Oct. 10, 1973; Near Dayton, OHIO
8:00 p.m. At least 15 sightings of unidentified flying objects "covered with red, green and blue lights" zooming about at tree-top level, were reported in Southwestern Ohio Wednesday night. The UFOs, sighted in the Dayton-Cincinnati area, were all classified "unofficial" by Wright-Patterson Air Force Base officials. None were detected on radar because they apparently were flying too low. The first sighting was reported shortly after 8 p.m. by a New Lebanon Township officer. "He didn't want to say he saw it, but he said it," Montgomery County Sheriff's deputy Michael Sullivan reported. "The officer said it was oblong and covered with lights. It appeared stationary in the sky about tree top level for several minutes until he tried to shine his cruiser spot light on it," Sullivan said. "It then zoomed toward him and then shot straight up in the air... after he turned out his light... and disappeared." Sullivan said the UFO sightings lasted from a fleeting moment to 12 minutes. "They would be behind the trees and come up and fly away... as if you startled it or something," he said. "No balloon, helicopter or kite can move that fast or has that many lights attached or can go so quickly in a straight-up direction," he said. A spokesman at Wright-Patterson, whose UFO center was discontinued several years ago, said there would be no attempt to investigate the sightings unless there was an "imminent danger." Sullivan said his officers 'certainly can't chase them."
UPI, The Columbus Dispatch, October 11, 1973
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Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
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Sighting of a UFO. Close Encounter of the Second Kind - Physical Evidence.
Close Encounter of the Third Kind - Contact. ... Full cast and crew - Trivia -
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
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Rating: 7.8/10 - from 57,754 users Close Encounter of the First Kind -
Sighting of a UFO. Close Encounter of the Second Kind - Physical Evidence.
Close Encounter of the Third Kind - Contact. ... Full cast and crew - Trivia -
Plot Summary - 90 Photos www.imdb.com/title/tt0075860/ - Cached -
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I can't say there was much UFO activity in 1977 so why the movie.
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
Anymore information on this fascinating case from anyone who has any is highly appreciated.
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
Any more information on this fascinating case is greatly valued, especially information about the other officers who were in pursuit of the objects that night. I'm guessing back in those days the radio transmissions between the cars and dispatch weren't recorded? It would be great to listen to them if they had been. There must be more official documentation on this event somewhere and I imagine it might take an FOIA request to get it. The problem is knowing where to look and who to ask.
April 7, 1966; Mansfield, OH
Two sheriffs deputies while on patrol chased a bright round object at high speed, seeing it or a similar object five times. The UFO alternately hovered and sped up, the last time departing vertically upward.
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