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Originally posted by TheMythLives
I'm not trying to be stupid or idiotic, but isn't Atheism a Faith? I mean that atheists have faith that God does not exist, they cannot prove he/she/it does not exist. So doesn't that make it faith, hence religion? Trying to find a clear understanding thats all.
Originally posted by asmall89
Tell me were your parents Christians or grew up in a Christian society? The morals that guide this country are founded greatly upon what the Bible & Ten commandments say. Laws against Stealing, Murder, stuff like that all part of the ten commandments, imagine that.
Originally posted by asmall89
Tell me what is so horrible about believing in something? You obviously do.
Originally posted by atlasastro
So are you infact offer an alternative that destroys hope?
What are you offer other than this. I'll tell you what you are offering. Nothing. Your truth is that you have nothing. No thing to explain why we are how, how we are here, how we should be while here and what happens after being here.
Originally posted by atlasastro
I don't know why atheists bother expressing anything about religion at all.
If we accept atheism and accept there is no G*D and we are instead experiencing a determanistic reality ruled by the nature of the universe and not a G*D, then that very nature, its laws and rules, its parameters etc have determined religion as being a logical aspect of existence expressed by humans.
Originally posted by atlasastro
It has determined that our processes as humans would arrive at religious beliefs inspired by a G*D as an expression and as a consequence of cause and effect. So I can consider these religious beliefs as being entirely natural. Along with atheism.
Originally posted by atlasastro
What you would then be argueing about is that nature itself, which has also seen the logic of atheism, is wrong in inspiring religion via the processes involved in humans, so if as an atheist you were critical of religion you create a problem for your own beliefs too. Because if this is the case then Atheism may also be wrong as an expression of nature via the processes of humans.
Originally posted by atlasastro
So while you may deny the existence of G*D, it is also moronic to argue that a belief in G*D is illogical as there must be a cause for this and a logic in its expression, as from an atheistic persective the very prescence of religion is an obvious aspect of the fabric of reality, an expression of nature itself regardless of any actual G*D existing. Of course this moronic behaviour is not applicable to the logic of a believer of G*D, who accepts a G*D existing, as nature has intended that they believe. Atheist are stuck as describing an effect of nature and its laws as being wrong by criticising religion in any way. Atheist just have to accept religion as it is, as being logical in nature as it is simply and purely a fact of existence.
Religion, purely as an expression of nature, can attack atheist logic because believers accept G*D as determining their existence and not nature, this attack on atheists logic is in and of itself justified as defending nature because atheism is attacking the logic of nature when any atheist criticizes religion, religion that is expressed by human processes determined by nature, its laws and parameters.
Originally posted by atlasastro
Religion is here, it was always here, it will always be here.
Get over it.
Originally posted by asmall89
I understand what you are saying about believing in the extraordinary vs fact, but the thing is it has not been proven that there is no higher intelligence to the universe.
Originally posted by asmall89
I mean the founding fathers were all Christians as were most colonials.
Originally posted by asmall89
I understand what you are saying about believing in the extraordinary vs fact, but the thing is it has not been proven that there is no higher intelligence to the universe.
Originally posted by asmall89
We simply do not have all the answers yet, and thats all religion and science try to offer, the answer to why?
Originally posted by asmall89
People who believe in atheism, quantum physics, christianity, or what have you are no better than one another, people should just learn to accept that no one has all the answers.
Originally posted by asmall89
I agree that some religious beliefs have more evidence than others, but the same can be said about science, a lot of it is theory not fact or Laws.
Jesus existed, that is pretty much a proven FACT
people have FAITH that he did miracles.
Muhammad did exist and had a vision, but people have faith it was from Allah. Quantum Physics does say that things like walking on water may be theoretically possible too. People have faith that more could be possible with intention mentioned in Quantum Physics.
Originally posted by asmall89
You think that some beliefs are better than others?
Originally posted by asmall89
Thats what you guys are complaining about Religions doing!
Originally posted by asmall89
But I forgot just as long as your right and they're wrong it doesn't matter what you say or do, right?
Originally posted by asmall89
I agree that some religious beliefs have more evidence than others, but the same can be said about science, a lot of it is theory not fact or Laws.
Originally posted by asmall89
Jesus existed, that is pretty much a proven FACT
Originally posted by asmall89
Quantum Physics does say that things like walking on water may be theoretically possible too. People have faith that more could be possible with intention mentioned in Quantum Physics.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
I'm honest enough with myself to admit freely that I don't know how our Universe came into existence. I have my theories, but I don't proclaim them as fact. And moreover, I don't tell others that if they don't believe my theories they will be punished for eternity.
There's a pretty big difference you seem to be missing...
Originally posted by asmall89
Jesus existed, that is pretty much a proven FACT
Far from it.
And the fact that you believe it is a fact is proof to me that you don't know your facts.
The only real 'evidence' of Jesus are contradictory writings which were written years after his death.
Originally posted by asmall89
The thing is in 70 AD Jerusalem got ransacked
found a coffin & remains with "James the Brother of Jesus" written on it
There are plenty of Roman historians of the time referring to him.
There are more than just the four gospels
The bible does has a moderate consistancey to be historically accurate, with events pertaining to Moses, Solomon, etc.
Originally posted by Welfhard
Originally posted by asmall89
The thing is in 70 AD Jerusalem got ransacked
Funnily enough that also about the same time that the gospels were written, according to the bible scholars, by unknown authors. And because it was all written so long after Jesus' alleged life and by people who never actually saw the man in the flesh, it's entirely hearsay, not evidence at all.
Which also contradict each other.
What? Who believes in these figures? There is even less evidence put together for either of these two.
Originally posted by asmall89
70 AD isn't so long after his death, he was said to be dead around 36 AD thats only about 34 years after. Did you ever think someone had to rewrite them? Transcribe them so they have more copies? That's a fairly common practice.
Which also contradict each other.
They do? Really... they both state Jesus was a man, of incredible wisdom. Who taught love & forgiveness. They only parts where there is contradictories is where the writers are interpreting what Jesus said or did in a way that they believe is correct. Maybe they contradict some things he did, but they all said he existed. Am I wrong about that?
What? Who believes in these figures? There is even less evidence put together for either of these two.
Jews, Christians, oh yeah and historians. Oh really? Pretty sure Solomon existed, ever heard of Solomon's temple? The wailing wall?
en.wikipedia.org...
Historical evidence of King Solomon, independent of the biblical accounts, is scarce. Nothing indisputably of Solomon's reign has been found.
Pretty sure the Pharaoh realized a lot of the Jewish slaves were being lead away from Egypt, oh yeah that's right he chased after them with his army. There are Egyptian sources confirming it.
You completely ignored Joan of Arc and King Arthur btw. Whom probably have less historical support than Jesus.