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Originally posted by Kriskaos
a large enough atomic explosion would wisk the exsisting atmosphere and create a very thin on[e]
Originally posted by shorty
I would like to say thank you for the intrest in my post. I have read the stargate conspricy and if you wish to lern about Temples theory i would serjest you buy his book The Sirius Mystery.
Originally posted by junglejake
Originally posted by Kriskaos
a large enough atomic explosion would wisk the exsisting atmosphere and create a very thin on[e]
Where would the existing atmosphere be wisked away to?
Originally posted by Nephilim__
Heres my 2 cents about the nuclear war theory. Well depending on the technology they had and what type of nuclear explosive was used there would still be traces of it on the planet itself. Now i dont know if this has been tested so i cant say for sure if its true or false but i was looking at some stuff and it said that with the technology we use today there are traces that have a half life of at least 5000 years.
Originally posted by Mr No Onet
Could the changes in the "face" from 1976 til now be due to ersosion and not picture resolution? Picture B sure looks like a broken down version of picture A. Just a thought.
Originally posted by junglejake
Where would the existing atmosphere be wisked away to?
Originally posted by SpookyVince
Do you really believe that any civilization able to realize that they were in trouble, able to guess a land point, able to get there, and so on..., would land here on earth without a trace of their past? They'd have brought computers or phones or... We'd have found some traces about that now... Come on...
Originally posted by junglejake
Also, mars has a carbon dioxide atmosphere. In order for life forms to come from Mars to here, they would have to genetically engineer themselves, or wear space suits to be able to breath the corrosive oxygen atmosphere.
Originally posted by shorty
I believe that after a nuclear war broke out on Mars. The surviving Martian race emigrated to the Earth, building the Pyramids and Sphinx to represent the features on mars so that when we were intelligent enough we might discover that there was once a thriving powerful E.T race on mars.
[Edited on 21-4-2004 by cassini]
We actually aren't constantly checking our own atmosphere for the loss of atmosphere. Ozone gets destroyed by CFCs and other such molecules which break the bonds of O2 molecules and join with one of those oxygen molecules. This causes the molecule to become heavier, causing it to fall closer to the earth. O2 is what prevents a lot of radiation coming from the sun to hit the surface of the planet. We need to monitor this to let people know about high cancer risk areas of the globe.
I've not heard about anyone monitoring our atmosphere to make sure it wasn't being sent into space. If this is being done, please send me a link, I'd be interested to read about the theory behind it, and what we could do if we were to lose our atmosphere.
As for our atmosphere being any different, yes, according to current theories about our planet's development, and theories of evolution, our planet did once have a carbon dioxide atmosphere. However, according to current models, it was about 1.3 billion years ago that the atmosphere had been converted into oxygen by the plant life (algae and the like). However, Egyptian society was around only 5000 years ago. To use Earth as a model to defend this doesn't work, it took millions of years to change the atmosphere to have more oxygen in it.
[Edited on 4-22-2004 by junglejake]
Originally posted by CommonSense
What happened? We've gone from a belief to an early stage theory. I stilll waqnt to know who the researchers are.
Originally posted by shorty
O.K LISTEN PLEASE FOR THE LAST TIME ITS A THEORY IN A VERY EARLY STAGE AND I JUST WONDERD IF ANYONE ELSE THOUGHT IT COULD BE POSSIBLE.
Originally posted by junglejake
We actually aren't constantly checking our own atmosphere for the loss of ozone. Ozone gets destroyed by CFCs and other such molecules which break the bonds of O2 molecules and join with one of those oxygen molecules. This causes the molecule to become heavier, causing it to fall closer to the earth. O2 is what prevents a lot of radiation coming from the sun to hit the surface of the planet. We need to monitor this to let people know about high cancer risk areas of the globe.
As for our atmosphere being any different, yes, according to current theories about our planet's development, and theories of evolution, our planet did once have a carbon dioxide atmosphere. However, according to current models, it was about 1.3 billion years ago that the atmosphere had been converted into oxygen by the plant life (algae and the like).
Originally posted by outsider
You apparently have a better grasp on the subject then I, but then I don't understand why you can say in one sentence, "we don't check the atmosphere for the loss of ozone" and in the other you note "we monitor the ozone level to let people know about high cancer risk areas".
That was actually a typo, I ment to say atmosphere, sorry! Editing my post right now
As for our atmosphere being any different, yes, according to current theories about our planet's development, and theories of evolution, our planet did once have a carbon dioxide atmosphere. However, according to current models, it was about 1.3 billion years ago that the atmosphere had been converted into oxygen by the plant life (algae and the like).
While I agree my thought was unscientific and I didn't check sources and I was only taking a quick stab at it. My thought was the earth is a planet and mars is a planet. They both have atmospheres. They are both subject to changes over time. They both have atmospheres and some day they both will have more, less, or none. Again I'm not an expert on the subject, but my point was it has changed, and it is constantly changing and someday there may well be none. When it has none where will it have gone? Space - Duh. Kind of like where does the water go when you open the plug on the tub. Well I'm not a plumber but...
I knew where whoever had posted that was going to go with it, that it was wisked away into space. The problem with that arguement is that you would need to provide the atmosphere universally (meaning all across the whole planet at the same time) with an escape velocity to not only blow it off the planet, but to blow it so far gravity wouldn't pull it back. Also, mars is a lot smaller then the Earth is, and cannot hold as much atmosphere as earth does gravitationally. I suspect, as do many scientists, that the density of atmosphere on Mars is about what it has been for a very long while (post creation of the planet), though it's makeups may have changed over time.
There's still disagreement among the experts as to the timeline of when the pyrimids were actually built. Some say 5000 years & some say 10,000 years. No, I'm not an expert, but if they can't even agree that leaves that open to speculation. Still though unless someone has data on what the Mars atmosphere was at that unknown point in time guessing that creatures that lived on mars couldn't live on earth is just that a guess.
Not really a guess, but a hypothesis. We only have Earth and our solar system as a model to use for planetary development. From all of our scientific knowlege attained through observation, it is highly unlikely that a planet's atmosphere could be converted into something so radically different in such a short period of time, be it 5000 or 10000 years. 10000, geologically speaking, is a drop of water in the ocean.
[Edited on 22-4-2004 by outsider]
Originally posted by outsider
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Originally posted by SpookyVince
Do you really believe that any civilization able to realize that they were in trouble, able to guess a land point, able to get there, and so on..., would land here on earth without a trace of their past? They'd have brought computers or phones or... We'd have found some traces about that now... Come on...
Again I'm not saying I buy into any of this stuff, but if sheet was going to hit the fan here and you had to go live in a cave for a few years would you bring your electric toaster with you? How about your CD collection? While you could bring a generator along with fuel & all your tech stuff what do you do when there's no more fuel. Are you going to start a foundry so you can make tools to pump oil out of the ground & build a refinery?
So even if you brought a few things with no way to repair or replace them eventually they end up in the bone yard. Ever drive by an old farm with 50 year old trucks sitting in the field rusting away, do you think you could find them after 10 thousand years or will that new paint protect them forever?
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Interesting post Shorty...I gotta say though...I feel civilization would be far more advanced today if our ancestors were escapees from a nuclear winter ravaged Mars.
Originally posted by shorty
what i meant by i belive i ment assumeing that the first paragraph was correct i would belive that the course action would be to go earth blah blah you no not that i belived i was correct i thought i would clear that up for you.
Originally posted by junglejake
The problem with that arguement is that you would need to provide the atmosphere universally (meaning all across the whole planet at the same time) with an escape velocity to not only blow it off the planet, but to blow it so far gravity wouldn't pull it back.
Also, mars is a lot smaller then the Earth is, and cannot hold as much atmosphere as earth does gravitationally. I suspect, as do many scientists, that the density of atmosphere on Mars is about what it has been for a very long while (post creation of the planet), though it's makeups may have changed over time.
Originally posted by SpookyVince
I'm not saying that a couple of guys came here with a radio. A huge load of them would have been here with something to start with, and not dust and stones and bones and blood to paint with. Think about what you say. There would be some traces of that, would it only be legends. The only legends here on earth about people out from another world are about ghosts or visitors, but not ancestors. If any martian ever came to earth, it would have found a populated world. If any martian lived before any earthling, it never was able to come here. If we live long enough, we might find it out. And then, OK, maybe we'll find out that I'm wrong, but I greatly doubt it.
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
i'm gonna go with a big ol' no on this one... especially since there is no "face on mars"
science.nasa.gov...
this site discusses that. the "face" was the result of poor quality images from the viking one probe.
Originally posted by CommonSense
Originally posted by junglejake
Originally posted by Kriskaos
a large enough atomic explosion would wisk the exsisting atmosphere and create a very thin on[e]
Where would the existing atmosphere be wisked away to?