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Very Interesting - 1918 Flu Pandemic - Killed ONLY those Who RECEIVED Flu Shots - Not those who refu

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posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 08:53 AM
Very interesting and worrisome article that has come out, about the 1918 Flu Pandemic. Only those who got a Flu Shot - got sick, those who did NOT get a shot - did NOT get sick.

link to article:

review in The Lancet suggests that influenza vaccination of infants is useless. Each and every year at this time medical officials come out to remind us of our mortal danger. However, they advocate medical procedures that do little to nothing to protect us, but cost billions nonetheless. Dr. Eleanor McBean was an on-the-spot observer of the 1918 influenza epidemic and said, "As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time.

Just over thirty years ago, in 1976, the Centers for Disease Control investigated and confirmed that a severe influenza outbreak at Fort Dix, New Jersey, had been caused by the "swine flu" -- an influenza A-type virus. The Department of Health, Education, and Welfare grew concerned that the United States might be about to see another large national flu pandemic, involving numbers of influenza deaths reminiscent of the flu pandemic of 1918. The federal government deemed it prudent to vaccinate all Americans. In October 1976, the National influenza Immunization Program officially began.

Here is a thread - about Alex Jones saying NO VACCINES!

Here is a thread about Baxter sending a live virus in vaccine "by accident"

I had told everyone I knew (that I thought would listen) - last fall - NOT to get a flu vaccine. I think the die has been set, things are going at a very fast pace.............. so I trust NO vaccine or medical "help".

Only five types of influenza are known to infect humans: HI, H2, H3, and Nl or N2. The avian influenza viruses H4, H5, and H7 make birds sick but usually don't infect humans. That may be about to change, however. In addition to its technical designation, when the flu becomes a human infection, each of the different influenza A viruses is given a common name corresponding to the place of outbreak or origin: the Spanish flu of 1918 or the Hong Kong flu of 1968. The word "influenza" is derived from the Latin influentia, to influence.

What is interesting too......... is that labs began to work with the 1918 flu... mixing it with the latest................. WHY? Why mess with something - reactivating it?


The brouhaha erupted after Kawaoka's team at the University of Wisconsin and the University of Tokyo reported in the 7 October issue of Nature that a normal human flu virus containing a gene for a coat protein from the 1918 flu strain is highly pathogenic to mice. An article in the New York Times noted that although the team began the studies in a stringent biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) lab in Canada, where workers wear "space suits," the University of Wisconsin's safety board approved moving the work to its own BSL-3 lab.

That set off alarm bells with some biosafety experts, including Karl M. Johnson, a former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) virologist now retired in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He and several others wrote to Promed, an Internet e-mail forum widely read in the infectious-disease community, arguing that the move to a BSL-3 was dangerous.

Johnson is partly assuaged. "I feel a bit better," he says, adding that BSL-3+ may be adequate for some experiments with engineered 1918 flu. But he still has reservations about, for instance, whether the vaccine would fully protect some individuals.

Other critics on Promed, however, such as Ronald Voorhees of the New Mexico Department of Health, argue that antiviral drugs may not eliminate the risk of a worker passing the virus to someone outside the lab, so a BSL-4 facility is needed. Biosafety expert Emmett Barkley of Howard Hughes Medical Institute suggests that if experts were polled, "half of them would call for [BSL-4]."

Part of the confusion stems from another set of federal guidelines, Biosafety in Biomedical and Microbiological Laboratories (BMBL). This manual says that flu viruses require only BSL-2 facilities, and there is no mention of 1918 flu or "enhanced" BSL-3, Johnson notes. The issue is important to resolve, as Kawaoka's is not the only group working on 1918-like flu viruses. A group led by Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City is doing so in a BSL-3+ facility at the CDC, and the University of Washington plans to study monkeys infected with modified 1918 flu strains in a BSL-3+ lab.

Even more controversial are planned experiments that would mix pathogenic avian flu strains, such as the H5N1 strain now circulating in Asia, with human flu viruses (Science, 30 July, p. 594). CDC scientists have opted for BSL-3+, but flu expert Robert Webster of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, says he would do these studies in a BSL-4 facility.

Why do scientist do this? To create a "super human killing" strain - that Nothing can defeat?

One year after that article of concern in 2004 - Guess what?

Now comes an article from 2005

link to article:

Special Report The 1918 flu virus is resurrected
Top of pageAbstractThe recreation of one of the deadliest diseases known could help us to prevent another pandemic.
Or it might trigger one, say critics. Andreas von Bubnoff investigates whether the benefits outweigh the risks.

It is thought to have killed 50 million people, and yet scientists have brought it back to life. In this issue of Nature, scientists publish an analysis of the full genome sequence of the 1918 human influenza virus.

NOW - those who DID NOT get vaccinated in 1918 - were NOT ones who died............ those who DID get vaccinated - DID DIE!!


WHY did the reactivate a virus/flu that KILLED 50 Million People?

WHY - ONLY one reason I can think of.................................... more than 50 million - this time?

Here is another article about the REVIVING of the 1918 Flu Strain

link to article:

Kawaoka said the goal was to find out why the 1918 flu virus, known as the Spanish flu, was so deadly, killing up to 50 million people. Many of those who died were young adults who developed pneumonia from infections that penetrated deep into their lungs, something regular flu viruses normally don't do.

In 2004, Kawaoka identified a gene that enables the 1918 virus to latch on to cells in mice, but that wasn't enough to explain the germ's deadly power.

In the new study, he mixed a regular flu virus with the 1918 virus, gene by gene, testing the combinations in ferrets, which have responses to flu that mimic those in humans. One of the resulting viruses, containing a three-gene sequence that produces a virus-replication protein, infected the lower respiratory tracts of the animals, like the 1918 virus did in humans.
Kawaoka and other scientists, including Palese, previously reconstructed the 1918 virus from tissue samples extracted from victims of the flu, whose bodies were preserved in Alaska in the permafrost. They used a technique Kawaoka helped develop, called reverse genetics, that has also proven useful in searching for better flu vaccines.

Joining Kawaoka in the new research was lead author Tokiko Watanabe of UW-Madison; Shinji Watanabe, Jin Hyun Kim and Masato Hatta, also of UW-Madison; and Kyoko Shinya of Kobe University.

A bird flu virus known as H5N1 gained significant attention worldwide in 2005 and 2006 because of the threat of it causing a potential pandemic. Though fewer human cases have been reported recently, the virus continues to circulate.

So they PURPOSELY Create - A NEW STRAIN - For Research Reasons??

YEAH RIGHT!!!! I am NO FOOL - Nor are others!!

Please let people know - NEVER GET A FLU SHOT!!

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 09:11 AM
this is very disturbing to read

unfortunately, at the natural news site, they need registration to finish the articles... i just might register

and we should never forget the missing micro-biologists

Assassination of Microbiologists

Murdered Scientists and the Genetic Bioweapon?

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 09:29 AM
two years ago was the first time i've gotten the flu vac in years, and was the only time i've gotten the flu in years. havnt got the vac or the flu since.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 09:34 AM
great find. S and F.

I am for a long time pretty suspicious about all that shots issue. I red on another thread that they already discovered that you have a much bigger chance to get Alzhaimer after more than three shots than before.

and the whole pharma bussiness is playing the dirty games all the time.

personally I never took any and I do not intended too.

thanks for posting it once again. cheers

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posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 09:38 AM
There was NO viral flu vaccine in 1918,it was only for oppurtunistic bacterias that were associated with infuenza then.
First "modern" viral flu vaccine was developed only in 1940s.
So his assumption is pretty far from the truth. Those who where vaccinated against bacteria could be infected by real (not deactivated as now) flu virus due to pure lack of proper sterilisation or due to simple fact that influenza virus was described only in 1930s.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 09:48 AM
I will never take a flu shot. But I dont think a flu vaccine was available in 1918. I laugh at all the "suckers" at work who line up for their free shot every October. They all end up feeling sick and lethargic for weeks.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 09:58 AM
I can attest to this - back in '05, I took a flu shot (at behest of my family), and got flu which developed into pneumonia.

Since then I've refused any and all vaccines.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 10:06 AM

Originally posted by crw2006 I laugh at all the "suckers" at work who line up for their free shot every October. They all end up feeling sick and lethargic for weeks.

You've got that right! I'm not anti-vaccine, for one thing, I don't fancy getting a nice case of tetanus, but I never get a flu shot. I work in a hospital and EVERY YEAR the same people get a flu shot, then either get sick, or feel bad for days. Total number of days I missed for illness in 2008 = 0.

Also, the symptoms of the flu are such that it appears to be almost impossible to determine if one actually has the flu or some other nasty infection.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 10:27 AM
Sometime ago I posted a thread on the likelihood that "Viruses" don't really even exist. It appears that "virus" was fabricated for a class of unknown illnesses or perhaps man created diseases making it seem as if it is a natural occurrence and that man then comes to the rescue with "cures".

There may be a relationship with the work of Dr. Kikuo Chishima whose research led him to believe the body creates cells including germs on the basis of the vibrational energy of the body. In other words "as you think, so your body is going to be composed". Perhaps what "flu shots" do is inject frequencies into the body that trigger it to produce destructive microbes.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 10:28 AM
It only takes some simple observation to see that Flu Shots are the cause of people getting the flu in alot of cases. Everyone that I know who has gotten a flu shot, immediately gets the flu afterwards. What is the point in getting a "vaccination" when it gives you the illness that you're being vaccinated against. I refuse to get vaccinated for anything, and always have. The people who make these vaccines are either in it for the money, or for some other non-relevant reason. Gardasil is a great example of this as well.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 10:30 AM
Wonders if Wisconsin will the "ground zero" for the accidentaly release of a new form of airbourne flu?

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 10:38 AM
Info on Bird flu and Spanish flu

Bird flu articles

Here's another way they might get rid of us:
A new world order would be virtually impossible in the kind of world that we live in at present. There are over six billion people with such diverse beliefs and customs, too many dissenters and and too many power seekers.

Remember Chernobyl?
Taking into consideration global wind patterns, the NWO have probably calculated how much nuclear material and toxic gases would need to be released to kill off most humans on the planet. They already have the data from the aftermath of Chernobyl to work with.

Belarus suffered from approximately 70 per cent of the fallout from the Chernobyl catastrophe. There are higher rates of morbidity in Belarus than anywhere else affected by the Chernobyl catastrophe. And the elevated cancer rates in Belarus are 16 times higher than in those countries not affected by Chernobyl.


(1) Are the high rates of morbidity and elevated cancer in Belarus only applicable to people who were living in Belarus during the fallout? or who moved to Belarus not long after the catastrophe, say 1986-1990?

(2) Has research been undertaken on animals and/or humans every few years since the Chernobyl disaster (1986) to try and determine when it would be safe to introduce humans and/or animals into a location that has experienced heavy fallout without those animals and/or humans experiencing harmful ailments/defects/side effects or fatalities ?

(3) I live in the UK and have never been to Belarus. If I were able to live and work in Belarus this year (2009), am I very likely to be harmfully or fatally affected by the remnants of nuclear fallout from the Chernobyl disaster of 1986 (22 years ago)? Or has the residue from nuclear fallout now dropped to a level that is considered safe to human health?

Data collected about nuclear fallout, from locations such as Belarus, would give governments/NWO an indication as to whether or not a deliberately planned global nuclear catastrophe was a realistic option for reducing the world human population and how long survivors would be required to live in underground camps/cities before reinhabiting above ground areas that had experience heavy nuclear fallout.

Carbohydrates, protein, fats and vitamins could be stored in packets/containers for survivors underground. Above ground, radiation would contaminate almost everything that humans would have hoped to survive on. Radiation would be in the air, getting into every nook and cranny and destroying harmful pathogens such as HIV/AIDS and MRSA. What a way to deal with most of the world's problems at once!

People living underground could probably be fed for decades using methods such as this
Slaughtered battery hens can be processed into soups, baby foods, stock cubes etc. Battery hens are bred to be lean, to eat little and lay a lot.

Wind farms and other forms of renewable energy, could possibly provide the electricity for those in underground camps/cities. Water from the sea could be desalinated.

If most life were wiped out by a nuclear catastrophe, geneticists among the survivors, in underground camps/cities, could breed organisms such as blow flies that would be released at numerous locations and multiply as they fed on carcasses. Genetic engineering could also possibly increase the species/number of plants, mammals, insects etc so as to replenish the earth once it was safe to do so.

When the human survivors came above ground to live, the released blow flies and other organisns, would have left them with more manageable skeletons to clear up.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 10:58 AM
Well, I do wonder at the most recent bought of flu that has been going around.
I have had an ear infection, finally throat, for some time. It looks like I'm going to have to renew the antibiotics. Now my son has a terrible sore throat with this in his chest. Just during the past 2 weeks, a friend of mine got seriously ill, with his blood pressure dropping, pulse climbing and ended up with a serious infection in his lungs that responded well to antibiotics.

However, at this point, after Baxter's second public "imcompetency" this one impossibly wedding the bird flu to a fast spreading flu bug, I'm wondering just what kind of flu is making its rounds. I advice everyone to stay away from flu vaccines as we are in dangerous times. I've only had a couple in my life, and each time I was very ill afterwards. Until this year after my ufo experiences and wake up call, and joining ats, I always thought it was just me.

This is a very good thread. Starred and flagged.

[edit on 8-3-2009 by mystiq]

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 11:12 AM
Yes, being a good child, my mother has forced me each and every year to get a vaccine. I do it basically because I can. My parents are both people who are top of the list to get shots, both having chronic medical problems.

I personally dont care. I have never been sick at all my entire life. Maybe except for the common cold once every 5 years, I have never truly gotten sick before.

On the flipside, I do have very seasonal allergies which leaves me most of the summer sneezing if I stay outside too long.

I take my meds for that, but otherwise, I like to totally stay off of medication. No Advil, IB-P, no Tylenol.

I like to stay natural, and I have become known for my immune system. I don't know why, my family always gets sick all the time.

A suggestion? maybe, but it helps/

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 11:13 AM
Ive had a flu vaccine done yearly, for the last 23 years....and apart from last year when I got a fever for 2 days and was stuck in bed, I never had any of those flus that people tend to get every year.

Reading everyone`s posts now, makes me feel like I shouldnt take a flu jab this year - but I dont know. Ive never had any side effects from it at all...on the contrary!

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 11:23 AM
Due to a strangely virulent flu thats been going around all the way from Georgia, USA, to Chillwack, BC that makes nearly every one who gets it that I know require antibiotics, I too can connect dots and wonder if this flu didn't also come out of a laboratory, and in preparation for further releases. Incubation to a pandemic when mixing the two occurs in the human body. Just a thought, that they're doing it all now with two manufactured diseases.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 11:32 AM
Talked to my Grandma just now and she remembers during the HongKong flu epidemic, my Grandpa was a truck driver and tons of his fellow truckers were checking themselves into the hospital. He made it home and was very sick with the flu which settled in his lungs as double penomonia, she stayed home from work and took care of him.

She said as far as she knew flu shots were not even available in the 1918 flu strain, people just did not take vaccines until much later.

I dont know how accurate these statistics are on the vaccines way back then.

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 11:35 AM
I'm not sure how many actually did receive shots myself either. But I do think that getting a flu shot at this time could be dangerous.

Edit to add: Although if they release both, including the flu they're using as a mixing agent, I'm not sure if they need to contaminate the vaccines.

[edit on 8-3-2009 by mystiq]

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 11:43 AM
I tend to agree with Antar. No vaccines for influenza were available in 1918.

Influenza Vaccine: Influenza vaccine was first introduced as a licensed product in the United States in 1944. Because of the rapid mutation of the virus, the effectiveness of a given vaccine lasts only a year or two. Each year researchers must investigate and, to some degree, anticipate changes in the virus in order to produce a vaccine that will be effective against a given strain. In most years, the mutation which occurs does not produce a strain which is drastically different from the strains in previous years. Occasionally, however, major changes occur in the configuration of the virus, requiring significant modifications in the vaccine. Significant changes occurred, for example, in the 1957 Asian Flu and the 1968 Hong Kong Flu.

add: 50 million people were not vaccinated in 1918. The vaccine did not exist.

[edit on 8-3-2009 by elfie]

posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 12:22 PM
I don't know about the vaccines back then, I copied and pasted the article. The writer might have put the wrong dates in.

I do know, that I don't trust any flu shots now, and I don't think it is wise - looking at how labs are creating the viruses that have been gone - into new strains.

Why they are doing that, is still the question...... what is the "real" benefit of mixing old flu strains with new ones, except to make "super flu strains".

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