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Originally posted by organism315
Get off the free will vs. determinism argument, please. Free will always seems to win, in the end, even though I'm a hard-determinist.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
For an example of free will: Captain J. Edward Smith of the Titanic had years of experience doing Trans-Atlantic voyages years throughout of his career. Yet while holding the iceburg warning *common during that part of the year* he did something both his years of experience and his instincts as a experienced ship's captain says most definantly should not be done, he ordered more speed which proved to be the ship's and his downfall.
Cpt Edward Smith @wikipedia.org
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by iWork4NWO
Hate to say this as it sounds like an attack but please take it as I mean it. Just because you cannot understand something doesn't make it not true.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by iWork4NWO
Considering consciousness is being proven to be a somewhat different animal altogether your question is moot.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by iWork4NWO
Sure does, he went against training, years of experience and instinct. If free will did not exist he would not have gone against those things.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Without free will a person would acts as they are programed by experience to act *you have said this exact same thing*.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by iWork4NWO
Ah, but his "trajectory" was that he would not have sped up in so ambigious a situation.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by iWork4NWO
Unfortunately no, only speak English and Bad English. But my argument stands that was it not for free will he would not have gone against consistant past experience and consistant past behavior.
1+1=2 after all, not 1+1=fish.
Especially considering the gamble he uncharacteristicaly took and lost.
[edit on 8-3-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by iWork4NWO
Unfortunately no, only speak English and Bad English. But my argument stands that was it not for free will he would not have gone against consistant past experience and consistant past behavior.
1+1=2 after all, not 1+1=fish.
Especially considering the gamble he uncharacteristicaly took and lost.
Originally posted by melatonin
Anyway, I go for compatibilism. Free will and determinism can co-exist. I make my decisions, all are caused in some way by something internal or external. I am the sum of my biology and experiences. I am the captain of my ship.