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Dunwichwhitch, pritty much covered all the bad points i was goin to type out, good post.

I do believe it is also a breakthrough with entertainment technology. I recon the first one would be a bit sketchy, after all, who can create a new reality perfect the first time?? Give it 20years after this is out, and it will be imence.
One of the main problems (i think someone may have pointed it out, but i cant be sure) is the educational area, and how this could turn out to be a "it had to of happend like this, because i seen it on the VR" type of thing. The programers could put something in there that is valued as scientific fact (that is actualy faulse), and instead of someone figureing out that it is faulse, they will believe it more because they seen it with their "own" eyes, natrualy the brain will be more biased (well, VR cant be completly VR if you dont believe its real, which is were the "are we in one" already most likley came from, exact same concept as how do we know when we are dreaming question, impossible to answer)

There is MAJOR mental health precoursions in technology such as this. If you stay too long over a period of time, your brain will struggle to judge what is reality and what is the VR (scytzophrenia? (excuse the bad spelling, its a tricky word). You could be playing a game were you play as a character with a certain personality, wouldnt some of that personality leak into you??

However, like anything else, moderation is needed.

And i bet the porn industry and 13year old boys are just going to love this

Originally posted by RedCairo


First, visualization has been demonstrated as at least sometimes helpful in dealing with disease. Imagine how much more effectively you could visualize, and your brain could respond to that input by knowing what you were talking about, if you were quite literally interacting with the inside of your body.

Imagine that you could learn to operate a bulldozer, fly a jet fighter, play a grand piano, practice your standup routine, close a sale, rebuild an engine -- all in VR, so you didn't actually have to own all those things.

For you, maybe you can go out and do all those things. Most of the world can't. Most of the world walks or trains to work, barely gets by and is lucky to afford a flute. Genuine VR could open the realm of the most advanced academic education, musical performance, healing specializations and more to anybody with a VR input. A poor kid in the barrio in Puerto Rico could apply for a grant from the Air Force based on jet fighter handling of extreme skill, or check one for any of the other options.

You could dissect animals (and people) in VR to learn medicine and hugely increase the number of qualified surgeons in the world without having to experiment on, mostly, actual animals and people. You could actually experience having ten different kinds of jobs and consider in a far more realistic way, at age 18, what you might like to do for the rest of your life. Education could be taken out of the already vastly outdated butt in a chair format and made so anybody on earth could 'sit in' with a teacher, or join for a game of racquetball for exercise--even if you live with your ailing mother, can't go anywhere, and your room is a 8x8 cube that is your whole world. The possibilities in this kind of technology are endless!

There's also a lot to be said for human intuition in any situation, and being able to use technology to get into areas where humans cannot go (space, ocean, underground) but then letting a human explore down there and use all those interconnective neurons for ideas or new questions, that could be very interesting as well.

Obviously you do overestimate the value of this helmet. Do you realize, that the only advancement lies in the simulation of smell and taste (and a fan in front of your face)?

As for real virtual reality, where you live and act in a computerized world, that's a completely different thing. That would be indeed like the invention of the internet. You read "Neuromancer", a cyberpunknovel? With this you really can do all the things you described, but i fail to see how a smell-and taste-simulation can assist you to learn how to fly a plane.

I also fail to see, how someone who can't afford a flute might eventually get the 1500 bucks for the helmet.

As for all the other things you suggest: Well, use your wonderful mind. You will easily imagine a different epoche, how another job will feel like etc etc.

But a poor puertorican child, believe me, has other sorrows to worry about than to get an expensive hour of synthesized smell. This hypothetical child normally worries about where to sleep next and what to eat next. It would be a great idea to spend the 1500 for some puertorican slum.

I am quite future oriented, but this helmet does not seem to present some major step in the right direction (whatever that may be). Rather, it allows a lazy teenager to smell the horror of real wars. That may lead to some respect and anger towards war, but instead i suspect it desensitizes even more.

love n peace

(sorry for this %$&§ grammar, not a native ESp)

We shall become like those fat people in the Animation Wall-E lol.

Not good. Really.

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solyent green (is people) (entire movie)

Originally posted by Wachstum
Obviously you do overestimate the value of this helmet. Do you realize, that the only advancement lies in the simulation of smell and taste (and a fan in front of your face)?

As for real virtual reality, where you live and act in a computerized world, that's a completely different thing.

I was referring to the value in exploring and developing the technology as a whole, not to the specific product in question right now.

Best,
PJ

I never thought I'd say this to anyone because I hate it when someone says it to me (I even made reference to it earlier in the thread) but some of you watch too many movies.

Perhaps I should word it differently: some of you are getting the wrong message from the TV and movies you watch. I hate the Cylons and Skynet just as much as the next guy, but the message of stories like these is not to fear technology, but to keep it in check.

Would it make sense to eschew screwdrivers because they can also be used as a deadly stabbing weapon?

Have a little faith in yourself - that you will be able to take the helmet off and go get some real exercise and experience, no matter how fun and addictive it might be. As well as faith in the way you raise your own kids, so that they will have the same common sense, and pass it along to the next generation, and the ones down the line. My parents had this common sense, and passed it along to me. I played pong in the '70s. I also enjoyed riding my bike and skateboarding. And guess what? Here it is 30 years later and though it might seem fewer and farther between, that common sense still exists.




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Originally posted by Wachstum

Obviously you do overestimate the value of this helmet. I also fail to see, how someone who can't afford a flute might eventually get the 1500 bucks for the helmet.

Nope - I think it's you who underestimate its value here. At one time those who couldn't read, said "why read a book - when you can experience the real world" and Like a book was technology that only the educated elite could afford - once mass produced the common man had access - if nothing else at the library.

Originally posted by Wachstum
i fail to see how a smell-and taste-simulation can assist you to learn how to fly a plane.

Maybe they can taste the bad coffee in the cockpit and get use to it.

You'd be surprised how many training courses use Microsoft's Flight simulator to prepare pilots for the real thing. You don't need real controls, but they even sell simulated controls at various levels of reality for that. The point is though to get you use to doing all the things that one must do before flying a plane & then managing fuel, systems, monitoring instruments, weather - even simulations of actual airports, runways, taxiways and known area hazards are there for you to see before you do the real thing. Uh - how do you think the guys flying the UAV's do it? First they fly it without a UAV at the other end - then they do the exact same thing except there's a flying robot (UAV) at the other end.

You can apply those technology's to almost anything. Perhaps Scientist could shrink themselves and explore ways to make changes at a level that would allow them to gain ideas in order to fight diseases or repair damaged organs etc.

But for escapist - like a drug the possibility's are endless. As some have said as a disabled person you could climb up Mt. Everest with a real climber and see as close to his perspective as possible without being there. You could become an astronaut and explore Mars. Instead of Watching movies you become part of the movie.

Of course we have to tread carefully as we don't want to create killers or rapists, but I suppose one could explore the realm of criminal activity without actually committing a crime - unless of course the thought police begin to create virtual crimes - such as if one came up with a good sex simulator it might or might not be considered a crime to have an image of a goat or a child in that simulation. Then again if we provided an outlet for sexual deviants - maybe allowing them to get their simulated gratification a few times a day would keep them from hurting real people. Perhaps we could even steer them back to normalcy by making subtle changes in the program over a period of time.

Personally I've been waiting for virtual reality shows where one can sign up ahead of time and pay a small fee and then communicate with the skier, pilot, climber or who's ever wearing the virtual gear at the other end and tell them (or vote) which run to ski down or what maneuvers to do as we virtually watch from the other end.

Also we could record our entire lives virtually and then play it back at certain times or even use it on the fly to remember peoples names at a party or business meeting etc. Sort of a memory augmentation device. The possibilities are endless in my opinion.

2012 - Well we're running out of memory (too many people & increased resolution needed outside our domain), we have a newer kernel and our cpu's aren't capable of running it, so it's time to shut this simulation down while we do a complete upgrade - see you all on the other side - that is if you make it on the backup.

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No thank you. I'm still waiting for the Holodeck. ( Star Trek )

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I hear that... spa massage... better not be a guy giving me a "soapy" I still dont beleve a womans touch, or a loved ones laugh can ever be replicated....

Well I am in my VR meatsuit doing my thing playing xbox, thats like some kind of strange mind trip in itself...

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magic

yeah you know what? let me know when the head set comes with a wiimote and a pair of sensor laden underware, then you will have a best seller.

Originally posted by Wachstum
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You mean: Have a fan under your mouth, a picture in front of your eyes and the flavour of bird S'hit in my mouth

Thanks, me, i will meditate or lucid dream my flight under the stars. Ha. Sheep

Yep ok whatever, I'll also meditate and lucid dream, I'll do whatever I want. I am not a sheep. Maybe it's you that's a sheep, thinking that everything will brainwash you, and that you cannot think for yourself, that you cannot control yourself. Looking at only the negative possibilities, and ignoring the amazing possibilities this could bring, the fun, the use of imagination, art, how useful would this be for the blind, the death, the paralized, for unlimited reasons! etc etc.

Your the one who follows the people who do not have faith in themselves and humanity, you believe we all have no self controll, and therefore we are all sheep.

You call people sheep for doing something you "disagree" with, I find your way of thinking to be rather arrogant.

Peace.

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I agree with everything you say, the possibilities are endless, and that's what makes it exciting.

And yes you can compare what he said to," why should we read a book, why should we go on the computer, why should we play game, why should we go on the internet, why should we paint pictures, why should we dress up and pretend to be a vampire, why should etc etc. When we can experience the real world."

Why should we make music, yes that's right, even music, uses "technology" The spirituality, the imagintion etc comes from the person behind the technology. Why should we make music, when we have real life? haha

In reality it's actually all "part" of the real world! It's all part of human's natural use of imagination and curiosity.

As humans evolve with technology, and continue to learn new things, about the universe and technology, it will only be "natural" for HUGE changes to come to our human way of life. Look at the last 100 years for example. Now imagine the next 100 years!

I sometimes find it funny that people focus on spirituality, yet ignore technology like it's a sin! Like it's unatural!

The truth is, technology IS natural, it's part of human nature. The computer screen your looking at now, is part of the nature we have evolved into. We cannot ignore technology like this, because it's part of our human nature, it's inevitable. All we can do is, be wise, be safe, and make the most out of it, in a positive good way.

Do not fear it, or hate it. Learn from it, and make the most out of it, stay positive.

Peace.



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Oh, ähh, yeah, you are right. And i realized that my words were too harsh, äh, at this time i was just half asleep. Sorry for that.

Have a nice

Originally posted by DaRAGE
I can see it now... Doom 5, Quake 6, F.E.A.R 4 (omg that would be tooooo scary ;-P), Duke Nukem Forever (hahah whoar e we kidding? )

I play video games as well and some games like Fear4, Left 4 Dead, Resident Evil 5, and even Gears of War would probably be unimaginably frightening to play if it would be like reality. The problem with this is that I am still pondering on how would we be able to move inside the helmet without physically moving our legs in the "real" world. Would we just have to think about moving and the VR world will allow us to move? - It's strange.

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Very good post. I agree, that technology is an extension of the creativity of man.

I think maybe where the disagreement comes between people is that some consider man inherently sinful, and everything of 'this world/flesh' to be based in sin. Others consider man to be inherently holy, as a creation of God or at least spirit/energy in some fashion. I notice that how people interpret things--and the degree of fear which they present in response to nearly anything--is often based on fundamental philosophies that on the surface you'd think had nothing to do with the subject.

Best,
PJ

Originally posted by Wachstum
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Oh, ähh, yeah, you are right. And i realized that my words were too harsh, äh, at this time i was just half asleep. Sorry for that.

Have a nice

Ah your a good guy!

I also just reread mine, I did seem a little bit too aggressive and a bit one sided, so I should also add that we should also be cautious and careful aswell, because as with all things, it can be used for negative agendas, control etc.

One worry I have, is it possible to recreate pain!? Scary to think about really!

So yes I see great positives, but also negatives, as in most things in life!

Peace.

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Originally posted by Renarism

Originally posted by DaRAGE
I can see it now... Doom 5, Quake 6, F.E.A.R 4 (omg that would be tooooo scary ;-P), Duke Nukem Forever (hahah whoar e we kidding? )

I play video games as well and some games like Fear4, Left 4 Dead, Resident Evil 5, and even Gears of War would probably be unimaginably frightening to play if it would be like reality. The problem with this is that I am still pondering on how would we be able to move inside the helmet without physically moving our legs in the "real" world. Would we just have to think about moving and the VR world will allow us to move? - It's strange.

That's a very good point!

Because when we dream, our body becomes paralyzed, to stop us moving too much in our sleep.

So that doeas seem like a dilema, hmm.

Originally posted by DaRAGE
am still pondering on how would we be able to move inside the helmet without physically moving our legs in the "real" world. Would we just have to think about moving and the VR world will allow us to move? - It's strange.

Good point. Imagine something like a treadmill, except totally round with a restraining padded bar around it, and the floor of it actually moves in ANY direction -- like a mouse-'trackball' for a computer. So you'd get exercise too!

PJ

Originally posted by RedCairo

Originally posted by DaRAGE
am still pondering on how would we be able to move inside the helmet without physically moving our legs in the "real" world. Would we just have to think about moving and the VR world will allow us to move? - It's strange.

Good point. Imagine something like a treadmill, except totally round with a restraining padded bar around it, and the floor of it actually moves in ANY direction -- like a mouse-'trackball' for a computer. So you'd get exercise too!

PJ

I believe I've seen this some where. I do know what you're talking about though. So I'm guessing this would actually cost more than "$1500", especially if you are required to have this moving "pad". I do believe with a previous poster stating that later on in the advancement and soon "perfection" of this technology, that your brain will struggle to determine Virtual Reality from "True-Reality". Also if in this VR world you are taking on a dual personality of some-sort, or another character. (similar to a MMO, EX: Final Fantasy XI, or Phantasy Star Universe)