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Originally posted by ASeeker343
Very interesting, i will definitely have to read this alot more thoroughly before i can even speak intelligently about it lol, but certainly an intriguing read. I have been cautious of paul and felt that the church emphasizes his teachings far more than the teachings of Christ. Ill have to put some research into this.
Originally posted by heyo
I remember when I was a kid I just straight up didn't like Paul. I never got into any detectivework on it but Paul is definately one of the reasons christianity frustrates me. It's like you're reading along, and then blam, paul blindsides you with a judgemental attitude. Yeah, that was it. Too judgemental. Don't judge, lest ye be judged i thought. Anyways, this is reallyimpressive op.
Originally posted by justamomma It looks to people as though John, the Apostle, is endorsing a maker of idols who is apparently against Paul for speaking against them. *rolls eyes*
So, after Demetrius says things *rolls eyes* about Paul, the town is enraged and then confused.. This is how it works when one can talks about Paul, no? Confusion always ensues.
The next person mentioned is Gaius, one of Paul's companions getting taken hold of after *Demetrius* supposedly attacks Paul.[edited for space] And then John (rolls eyes), endorsing him along with Demetrius, the idol maker? Odd, no?
Aristarchus is mentioned in Acts 20: 4; 27:2; Colossians 4:10; Philemon 1:24
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I am going to skip to Alexander.. the one put forth by the Jews. Now, it is obvious that Alexander says something that upsets the Diana worshipers. Why don't we look into a bit of what it is the goddess Diana is about, shall we?
Diana is associated with wild animals. Hmmm.. so is the tribe of Benjamin, specifically wolves, interestingly enough the same tribe from which Paul lays claim to. Wolves in sheep clothing anyone? She is the emblem of chastity.. hmm... can we think of anyone else that is worshiped and prayed to (mama) that is a symbol of chastity? She made up a trinity interestingly enough as well.. Egeria ~ water (Spirit perhaps?) and Virbius ~ the woodland god (or son who died on the cross anyone?). Diana was Hellenized (Paul was Hellenistic), which ended in her appearing next to *drum roll* the god, APOLLO.
Now, here is my assignment. Go look up the following passages and when you are finished, come back and tell me what YOU NOW KNOW as I know about our Paul of the NT. There is no mistake! It is declared as G.d promised in Isaiah.
Acts 18:24; 19:1; I Cor 1:12; 3:4; 3: 5; 3:6; 3:22; 4:6; 16:12; Titus 3:13 (be not mistaken.. Paul is endorsing if not claiming who it is being promoted here).
Can you explain this account in Acts any better. Look at what Paul says about the Jew (which we already know he has issues with the Jewish.. don't you wonder why?) put forth named Alexander, that upsets the Diana worshipers.
I Timothy 1:20, 2 Timothy 4:14
Jesus said in Matthew 7: 15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Paul admitted in Phillippians 3: 4-5
Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee.
And G.d declares it in Genesis 49: 27
Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.
Originally posted by AlcoveWhy do you assume the verse refers to Paul and not any other member of that tribe?
Originally posted by lunchbox1979
wow, makes sense, i work at a afc home and i take the residents to the church the owners go to. the church is pentecostal and the pastor is constantly quoteing paul, more so then even jesus, whenever ive tried to bring up the fallibility of paul my boss seems to go deaf dumb and blind, i try to show him stuff here on ats but hes always got some kind of answer,
lets see what he thinks about this!
its funny too cause his church is always passively-agressively dumping on the catholic church for being astray and not following the word and yet they are guilty of the same hypocracy. great job!
Originally posted by TH3ON3
First off, your post was so long I grew weary of reading it and skipped to the pertinent parts. So what you are saying is that because someone was named after the idol maker that he WAS the idol maker?
Second, is it not possible that even the idol maker may have been converted at a later date?
I think you are so blinded by your prejudice against anything mentioned in the Bible that you can't see the obvious.
But did I miss anything about just why you say Paul was a false prophet?
Let me know, and I will through the Holy Spirit "shut up your mouth".
Shame on you, such an intelligent lady, yet blinded by your own disbelief unto the only truth that can save you.
I leave you with this verse written thousands of years ago, yet very appropriate, like it was written especially for you.