Something we can all agree on

This is an issue that I think we can all agree on, and something that we need to come together and actually do something about before we ALL find ourselves in forced labor camps producing rubber dog crap.

Taxes.

It is completely out of control.

It is the reason we had the Revolutionary war.

I am not very old, (less than 30) but in my short life I have seen a lot of new taxes, and a lot of increases of taxes that existed before I was born.


# Accounts Receivable Tax


# Accumulated Earnings Tax Accumulated earnings tax
# Ad Valorem Tax (includes duties on imported items), also see Property tax Ad valorem tax

# Alternative Minimum Tax Alternative minimum tax

# Aviation Fuel Tax Aviation fuel tax

# Capital Gains Tax Capital gains tax

# Cement and Gypsum Producers License Tax Cement producers license tax

# Cigarette Tax Cigarette Tax

# Coal Severance Tax

# Coal Gross Proceeds Tax Coal gross proceeds tax

# Consumer Counsel Tax Consumer council tax

# Consumption Tax Consumption tax

# Corporate Income Tax Corporate income tax

# Corporation License Tax

# Court Fines (revenue from many activities) Court fines

# Customs Duty Customs duty

# Dog License Tax Dog license tax

# Double Tax Double taxation

# Electrical Energy Producers Tax

# Estate Tax, Inheritance Estate Tax, Inheritance tax

# Federal Income Tax Federal income tax

# Federal Unemployment Tax Federal unemployment tax

# Fishing License Tax Fishing license tax

# Food Service License Tax Food service license tax

# Fuel Permit License Tax Fuel permit license tax

# Gas Guzzler Tax Gas guzzler tax

# Gasoline Tax (8 to 35 cents per gallon) Per tank? Gasoline tax

# Generation-skipping Transfer Tax

# Gift Tax Gift tax

# Gross Production Tax

# Hospital Facility Utilization Fee Tax Hospital facility utilization fee tax

# Hunting License Fee Tax Hunting license tax

# Inheritance Tax, see Estate Tax

# Inventory Tax Inventory tax

# IRS Interest Charges IRS interest charges

# IRS Penalties Tax IRS penalties

# Kiddie Tax Kiddie tax

# Land Value Tax Land value tax

# Liquor License Tax Liquor license tax

# Liquor Tax Liquor tax

# Local Tax

# Lodging Facility Use Tax Lodging facility use tax

# Luxury Tax Luxury tax

# Marriage License Tax Marriage license revenue

# Medicare Tax Medicare tax

# Metal Mines Gross Proceeds Tax

# Metal Mines License TaxMetal mines license tax

# Miscellaneous Mineral Mines License Tax Miscellaneous mineral mines license revenue

# Miscellaneous Mines Net Proceeds Tax Miscellaneous mines net proceeds tax

# Nursing Facility Bed Tax Nursing facility bed tax

# Oil and Natural Gas Production Tax Oil and Natural Gas production tax

# Parking Meter Tax Parking meter tax

# Payroll Tax Payroll tax

# Professional PrivilegeTax Professional privilege tax

# Property Tax Property tax

# Proxy Tax Proxy tax

# Public Contractor's Gross Receipts Tax Public contractor's gross receipts tax

# Public Service Commission Tax

# Public Utility Tax Public utility tax

# Real Estate Tax Real estate tax

# Real Estate Transfer Tax Real estate transfer tax

# Rental Vehicle Sales Tax Rental vehicle sales tax

# Resort Tax Resort tax

# Resource Indemnity and Groundwater Assessment Tax Resource indemnity and groundwater assessment tax

# Retail Telecommunications Excise Tax Retail telecommunications excise tax

# Sales Tax Sales tax

# School Tax School tax

# Self-Employment Tax Self employment tax

# Septic Permit Tax Septic tank permit tax

# Severance Tax Severance tax

# Social Security Tax Social security tax

# State Income Tax State Income tax

# State Unemployment Tax State unemployment tax

# Statewide Emergency Telephone 911 System Fee Tax State 911 telephone tax

# Surtax Tax - Extra tax. Surtax - Extra tax

# Tariffs - A tax on imports. Needed to protect all the industries we used to have.
Tariffs

# Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone federal excise tax

# Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Since May of 1997, "This helps provide affordable phone service and gives schools, libraries, and rural healthcare providers access to the Internet."

# Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax

# TDD Telecommunications Service Fee Tax TDD telecommunications service fee tax

# Tobacco Products Tax (Other than Cigarettes) Tobacco products tax

# Toll Road Fee Tax Toll road tax

# Toll Bridge Fee Tax Toll bridge fee tax

# Toll Tunnel Fee Tax Toll tunnel fee tax

# Tonnage Tax

# Traffic Fines Traffic fines

# Trailer Registration Fee Tax Trailer registration tax

# Use Tax Use tax

# Utility Tax, see Public Utility Tax

# Vehicle Registration and License Tax Vehicle registration and license tax

# Vehicle Sales Tax Vehicle sales tax

# Watercraft Registration Tax Watercraft registration tax

# Well Permit Tax Well permit tax

# Wholesale Energy Transaction Tax

# Workers Compensation Tax

being almost 40, i agree. im on your side here.

So what do we do? I think the answer is a lot simpler than we really think it can be.

It is obvious that the Constitution was flawed, because look at where we are now.

We need a re-boot. Yep we need to start over and try again.

It has gotten so bad that red tape and taxes have infected both ends of every transaction, and every single thing that we do in life.

The gov't has grown so big, and incredibly restrictive that making a reasonable living, and attempting the pursuit of happiness is nearly impossible.

Now here is the kicker. It can be solved in less than 1 year.

Quit paying your *&#(!@% taxes.

That is right TAX REVOLT. If we refuse to pay taxes for one year, the government goes away forever, and We The People, can opt to make a new one, or not.

That is a different discussion completely. (what do we do when there is no more gov't) I really don't want this thread to be about that, we can figure that out later. (it's not that big of a deal)

the constitution isnt flawed, it was open ended and allowed for revisions and repairs. only proble is it has been burned. by the government that was supposed to abide by it and uphold it, silly rabbit

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It makes flames come out of my mouth too.

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The flaw was the part where somehow it was allowed to be destroyed.

that makes flames come from every part of my body. i dont think it was the constitutions fault, but more american idols fault. cuz too many people are more interested in watching that than attending any type of rally or senate. id be willing to bet that moere people know the last 5 contestants of idol than know what hr3162 is.

Ronald Reagan said it was some people's idea that if "it moves, tax it. If it continues to move regulate it. And if it stops moving, Oh, I can't remember the rest of the quote verbatim, but it' something like. give it money. Yeah, taxes and more taxes. If it's something people like or need, tax it. And if you can't think of anything else to tax, then raise the taxes on previously taxed things. I find it interesting that here in Kentucky, we had a 5 percent increase in tax revenue to the state last year, but that wasn't enough, now we must pay more taxes. And now we will see a reduction in state services.

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I live in New Mexico, and the taxes get bigger and more numerous by the day.

In Florida when they had too many taxes, they learned a new word FEES!

That list is getting quite long also! < 2nd line and all

You want to see outrageous taxes? Move to Canada.

Taxes are a necessary evil for any country, but Canada makes an art form out of squeezing more money from its citizens. I read once that Fidel Castro actually came to Canada to learn how to better tax his citizens.

That is a lot of taxes people are burdened with.

I know how to fix it.

Taxes pay for Peoples wages, social services, and physical things.

If we forced government workers to work for free, and end all social services and mandate all suppliers give physical products free of charge to the government, we should have to pay no taxes at all.

This Idea is the only way to end taxes.


Nice thread by the way.

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Taxes. It is completely out of control. It is the reason we had the Revolutionary war.

No, actually, insofar as the taxation component of the call to revolution - the issue wasn't so much that the taxes were too high, but that we had to pay taxes while having absolutely no opportunity for our voices to be heard by Parliament or the King.

No taxation, without representation.

In other words, if we're going to pay to keep your government in power, we want a voice in that government. This was the crux of the issue leading to the Civil War, as the southern states were mostly rural plantations and didn't feel they adequately represented in congress because they couldn't compete population-wise (and hence, representative wise) with the industrialized and heavily populated North. The impending abolition of slavery was an example of this, but it wasn't made a central issue until the Emancipation Proclamation.

By turning the focus of the war away from a political squabble, and into a moral fight for freedom - the Union was able to stave off Brittan's support of the Confederacy until the Union could turn the tide of war against the South. The British had already abolished slavery long before the Civil War's time, but they depended upon the south for cotton, hemp, and other resources. They could not politically be seen to support a country fighting over the rights to own slaves.

You can debate from here on out whether or not you feel you're given adequate representation in government - which is something I doubt we can all agree upon.

You either pay your taxes or you don't. A little birdy once told me that if you do not file, they cannot nail you because you ain't signing your life away. Isn't mail fraud used as the main charge for tax evasion, as it is for insurance fraud? Wake up or stay sleeping; they won't kill you because you're more valuable in a comatose state!

man i gotta agree , you nailed it

Hahah, oh wow. We can't even all agree on whether the external world even exists in the first place, and you think we can all agree that taxes are so out of control we need to remake the USA with a new constitution?

About the only thing you could get everyone on ATS to agree on is that the entity reading this sentence is capable of thinking.