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Radio chip coming soon to your driver's license?

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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 10:53 PM

Radio chip coming soon to your driver's license?

Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S. and allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly.

The proposal, which has earned the support of Janet Napolitano, the newly chosen chief of the Department of Homeland Security, would embed radio chips in driver's licenses, or "enhanced driver's licenses."

"Enhanced driver's licenses give confidence that the person holding the card is the person who is supposed to be holding the card, and it's less elaborate than REAL ID," Napolitano said in a Washington Times report.
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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 10:53 PM
Watch comes big brother in full force.

Can you just imagine that you could be tracked by your DL??

I wonder what the time frame really is for this.

Here is a great quote from the end of the article...

"So if EDLs are the new direction for secure licenses in all states, it just reinforces what many have been telling me that DHS wants to expand this program and turn it into a wireless national ID with a different name," he said. "We'll wake up one day and without a vote in Congress DHS will just pass a rule and say something like 'starting next month you will need an EDL to fly on a plane, or to buy a gun, or whatever.'"

I don't know about you but this has me very concerned.
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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 11:15 PM
We already have RFID's here in Oklahoma in our licenses.
I stuck a big ol' magnet to mine a long time ago, took a hammer to it once for good measure.

Neat story, Wal Mart and Sams (I work for them) are going to start putting them in merchandise. The general manager of our store (Brad Foley) told me they wanted to eventually make it so we only need like one cashier for the people who still use regular money.

Already have them in our pallets so we can track where they are in the store and when they're leaving and if anything has left them. Good game.

posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 11:27 PM
I have a suggestion. Just don't carry the drivers license. Yeah, you will get ticketed for not having it in your possession should you be pulled over by the police for some other violation while driving, but when you go to court to pay the fine for the traffic violation, bring the license with you and that part of the case will be tossed aside.

posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 11:43 PM
Wrap it in aluminum foil and they won't get a signal at all. If you do something like flying, just unwrap it!

posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 11:48 PM
reply to post by kyred

See, thing is I dont have time nor money to deal with tickets.

college student

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:14 AM

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:18 AM
every time i weld, and forget to remove my wallet from my pocket i blast all my cards. get the idea? you dont need to know how, just make an arc and let the e.m.f. do the rest. believe it or not, there are alot of welders out there and you can rent one from a tool place for undr 20 a day.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:26 AM
Really? Well this just gives me more toys to play with at work. I'll be excited the day I come to the office for a meeting and the boss-man announces we'll be using portable electronic reading devices for getting information off of people's IDs at the nightclub.

I started a thread similar to this a long time ago. They're already way ahead of starting to put this same thing into use in Morocco. Only it also involves bio-metrics.

Click here to view thread. "Morocco To Issue Bio-Metric IDs."

And as far as magnets and microwaves? Ummm... You really don't need to go that far. All you gotta do is shield the card in some kind of protective material that will keep it from being scanned and the information on it being accessed. So only the legitimate authorities will be able to access it. Because they are going to ask you to show them your ID anyway at that point. Whether you're at an airport or wherever that requires you to produce your ID. You're going to have to remove it from the protective coating.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:28 AM
I will get my wallet lined with lead. That should stop the signal. Even if lead does not work, I'm sure there is some kind of screen, lattice or something metal that could block the signal when you wanted to be private.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:32 AM
The solution is simple - stop driving and get yourself a bike - it won't kill ya...

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:37 AM
You could easily wrap your license in some material that would isolate RF and get no communications at all that wouldn't be very hard.
I could care less about it in my license, but they are never going to be putting it inside me.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:40 AM
reply to post by wolf241e

Wow. I guess your picture actually being on the card and you having your own social security number isn't enough anymore.

It's amazing what the public is largely ignorant about given all the hubub about RFID chips and privacy. And when you consider that this new chip is being proposed for "the public good" it makes you a little sick to your stomach knowing that most of those people don't care about a silly little chip anyway.

I can actually see why Oklahoma would be more willing to go along with it though. I grew up in Northeastern Oklahoma and most people are against technology already. Alot of people don't even have computers. So most people just don't care what the chip is for in the first place because they don't understand how a chip could be used other than what the government sais it will be used for. I guess ignorance really is bliss. Meanwhile, the government has a prime testing ground for new technology that it can later disseminate to the entire population in the name of "the public good".

I don't know about you guys.. But I'm pretty sick of my government claiming to know what is good and bad for me and my family. This "public good" nonsense is just a ploy anyway to get the American people to go along. Next thing you know, we'll all have barcode tattoos instead of social security numbers and our enitre lives will be monitered from a remote computer on the other side of the planet. Moore's Law is speeding up slightly (not just remaining constant) which means we can hardly keep up with the advancments in technology we are already seeing. And that is just what we are seeing publicly. Who knows what progress has been made with black budget R&D dollars.. We have no way of knowing how far ahead we really are in the black world of government secrecy and research.

I see this as, more or less, a broad social experiment to see the publics reaction to more and more control over our daily activities and political opinions. It's all about how far they can push the envelope of privacy in the name of "the public good". Meanwhile most people don't understand what these chips are capable of, nor what this all really means. We knew this was coming.. Those of us who have been paying attention. And this is only the beginning. God forbid nonotechnology explodes on the world scene. We'll have to live in underground bunkers just to have any privacy at all. And we know that's coming too if it isn't here already..


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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:47 AM
Art stores will carry copper sheets, that works ALOT better then lead for shielding. Lead is for alpha, beta and gamma from radioactive sources, the chips don't work with radioactive particles. Small taps from a hammer may work.

A large "air" coil powered with a large audio amp fed with white noise will screw with the readers attempt to read the chip.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:52 AM
Ok so to be clear if this happens and I am forced to get one.

If I..

A. either stick it in a microwave or
B. put a magnet on it and
C. smash it with a hammer repeatedly

will those work..other than that.. what can I do besides hold it beside a welder?


posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:55 AM
You could tape it to a large sub speaker (to the dome in the center) and then to a midrange speaker. Problem is, how would you know it worked without a reader?

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 12:56 AM
anything that emits enough e.m.f. will destroy it. emf is close to emp, the pulse that comes from a nuke that disables electronics stuff

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 01:19 AM
A few of us have been trying to hack RFIDs.

We know that they work in the 850 to 950 MHz range and we know that the data is encrypted in most cases.

There are three types read-write, read-only and WORM (write once, read many)

What we want to do is to be able to read and/or overwrite and jam the system.

This could lead to many impractical jokes like setting up a read-write transmitter
along a railroad track and reprogramming the RFIDs on train cars.

Then let the railroads try to find the railcars as they all go to the wrong destination.

This would be better then fighting the government with guns.
just turn RFIDs against the system.

If the government want to use the railroad to transport people they round up this would wreak the system by sending the people to the wrong places.

A jamming system or a overwrite system could make RFID drivers licenses useless if the RFID was overwritten with garbage.
Jamming could make reading them in a area useless. like train stations or on highways. riots just set a powerful transmitter to send garbage this would overpower the weak RFID units in IDs

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 01:33 AM
lol. I haven't tried it yet, but it should be easier to simply put your RFID Card against your CRT Computer monitor screen and Degauss it a few times.

That's how I wipe allot of other things, might work on RFID chips as well.

Basically, I can't see a way the government can enforce a rule stating your RFID chip has to be working. We have no feasible way to check that ourselves.

So yeah, smash away kiddies!

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 01:54 AM
One of these should do the trick.

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