Can't we move the UN to another country?

The experiment of the UN failed. I thought that it was a good idea to have the UN here in the USA. I mean they say they are for Democratic governments and for Democracies correct?

If this new law gets passed I will never respect the UN again. I want them out of our country. I want the UN to fail. I don't want an organization that represents totalitarian governments in our country. A country that restricts free speech against a religion cannot be said to be a Democracy. Any country that is in the UN that signs the bill into law gives away its right to be a Democracy.

I am strongly against the UN and I want it to fail. Can't we just move it out of here?

I thought that Europeans said they have learned from their mistakes. I believed them but now they're keeping on implementing more socialism and they're implementing more restrictions on free speech.

I don't want to support any organization that restricts free speech. Nothing against the European nations or the European people but I think you shouldn't support anyone who threatens your right to think and wants to implement thought crime.

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My sentiments exactly. I often say, UN out of the US. And US out of the UN.

No you can't for the simple fact that the UN isnt *in* the USA. The building in NY (and all UN buildings worldwide) are extraterritorial. Like an embassy.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
The experiment of the UN failed. I thought that it was a good idea to have the UN here in the USA.

The UN is in every country that has membership in it. The US has the UN building.

If this new law gets passed I will never respect the UN again.

What law is that?

I thought that Europeans said they have learned from their mistakes.

You do realize that when GWBush bailed out the banks and Auto's, they turned the US into as much of a "socialist" "country" as Europe.

Welcome to the gang

The only country in the world where people seem to have such a problem with the idea of social policies in other countries is the US .. this obviously comes from the whole cold war thing.

It is funny now though because when the US economy turned.. You lot couldn't wait to implement "Socialism".

Nothing against the European nations or the European people but I think you shouldn't support anyone who threatens your right to think and wants to implement thought crime.

Explain plz. Is this about the UN? Why are you only asking Europeans? What thought crimes?

Originally posted by debunky
No you can't for the simple fact that the UN isnt *in* the USA. The building in NY (and all UN buildings worldwide) are extraterritorial. Like an embassy.

Exactly, also, the US is not a democracy, it is a republic.

Republics degenerate into democracies, but the US constitution was not intended to be used as a base for a democracy, not that it matters anymore these days

At most, it could be considered a democratic republic, but still, a republic.

Pointless bro, Stephen Harper has been with bush from the starting and Canada has already fallen into corruption.

Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
The experiment of the UN failed. I thought that it was a good idea to have the UN here in the USA.

The UN is in every country that has membership in it. The US has the UN building.

That's the problem.

If this new law gets passed I will never respect the UN again.

What law is that?

The anti-defamation law:
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I thought that Europeans said they have learned from their mistakes.

You do realize that when GWBush bailed out the banks and Auto's, they turned the US into as much of a "socialist" "country" as Europe.
That's the problem.

Welcome to the gang

We're not socialist yet.

The only country in the world where people seem to have such a problem with the idea of social policies in other countries is the US .. this obviously comes from the whole cold war thing.

Exactly. Other countries need to step up against it. Do you want to give up your right to free speech? That's fine by me but I don't want to.

It is funny now though because when the US economy turned.. You lot couldn't wait to implement "Socialism".

I'm now against it. People are allowed to change their minds on things. How is that funny?

Nothing
against the European nations or the European people but I think you shouldn't support anyone who threatens your right to think and wants to implement thought crime.

Explain plz. Is this about the UN? Why are you only asking Europeans? What thought crimes?


Why am I asking Europeans? Because European nations seem to be complacent with the bill. I think that's a problem.




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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
We're not socialist yet.

Yes, and neither are European countries. By the arguments you put forward in all your comments on the subject, we are socialist because our governments do the same as what your government has done since the US downturn... albeit with slightly different policies.

So.. if the US is not socialist, then the vast vast majority of EU countries are not socialist.

Iv tried to point this out to you many times before in other threads but you never seem to heed it.

The best thing you can do is get a ticket over here and check it out for yourself... the only real differences between us and you lot are cultural.

Why am I asking Europeans? Because European nations seem to be complacent with the bill. I think that's a problem.

"The ACLJ's European division, the European Center for Law & Justice, also has launched its work on the issue. It submitted arguments last month to the U.N. in opposition to the proposal to institute sharia-based standards around the globe."

The above means we are officially not complacent. What are you basing any of this on?

Europe is mainly christian.. you hardly think we would allow this to pass without kicking up a fuss. There is no way this will be allowed through without at least being reworded to include the names of all religions/no names at all.

Also, the main article you linked to is extremely bias and does not give any information other than an opinion from someone who obviously disagrees. Its not something I would take as fact until I read the unbiased info.

First - if US would leave UN ,then it will loose certain amount of diplomatic weight it has now. Being superpower is good and all, but being superpower with ability to veto decisions in UN is a lot better, don't you think? And if US would go for isolation approach, then expect economy in the US (at least in the beginning) to take a huge dive. After all diplomatic influence translates directly into economical influence. Damage one - you will damage the other.
However - US pays a lot of money to UN as fees and subsidies a lot of its programs. Without US, UN would not pull it off. So there could be a time when US can use it as a pressure weapon, but now is hardly the time. At least from what i see.

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In my opinion the UN gives chance for all nations to cosult with eachother in one place as opposed to having to do so interregional without understanding of what is going on in the other regions. I think its the only opportunity where smaller foreign nations have their voices heard where they would not have a chance in this was world if representitives of all the nations did not gather.

Frank if you and the rest of the ATSers oppose the UN so much then you are by all means to contact your congressman or get a petition or a vote from americans to leave the UN. However you wont get much support.

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You seem to be missing the point. I think the contemporary liberal ideas you have are getting in the way of understanding this. It's not about helping other nations or letting other nations get a say that I have a problem with. It's about free speech. The USA exists because of free speech and things like it. This would go against our constitution. Our constitution doesn't allow us to recognize religion. So therefore we can't abide by it, and, other foreign powers can't coerce us into submitting our will to following this binding resolution because of it. They're trampling on our constitution if they do this.