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"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
What utter malarque.... the only thing Obama needs for the respect of the troops is to hold the office of President.
I hope it’s not utter malarque…but my dearly departed Irish maternal grandmother would have smiled at hearing you use that word!
I would love to hope that if ever a true despot attained the Presidency, which in no way shape or form, am I suggesting President Obama is one, and that our brave men and women in uniform would act out of conscience to reject that person as their commander.
I can appreciate discipline and the military’s need for discipline but in truth not all are as disciplined as life or their code tasks them with.
Case in point, where you an officer when you served in the Navy? (My Dad was a World War II Navy Frogman by the way) If you weren’t in your post you admitted to fraternizing with officers! That would be a violation of military discipline and protocol too.
The point being is how many people do you know who follow the book 100% of the time. Once it becomes a selective judgment in any regard no matter how small or large it shows a willing propensity to question some things, even if they are deemed to be relatively insignificant.
This soldier is stupid without a doubt.
I can honestly say though if I were President I would want and look for ways to make my soldiers love me, because I am just the kind of guy who could truly get into being a despot and would want, and need and love for them to support me in my endeavor to become one!
I think what I am really driving at here is no, it’s not a perfect world no matter what the book says. What can President Obama actually do to increase stature in a way with the military that doesn’t violate or diminish the office he holds?
Lets help out the new guy on the block!
Makes me wonder if he said what he said to get out of going to a war zone?
Well for one, I think that it really doesn't matter what the soldiers think. That's what the UCMJ is for. They are owned for their tenure, and there is no two ways about it. They can't even legally get a tattoo without risking being brought up on charges of defacing gov property.
They are owned for their tenure, and there is no two ways about it. They can't even legally get a tattoo without risking being brought up on charges of defacing gov property.
Originally posted by uaocteaou
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife
I'm sorry to disagree with you bro- but here is the oath;
""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Sounds to me as if the oath is to the office, regardless of who occupys it.
Yeah it's crazy in the military, and the young men and women in uniform very frequently forget that they lose all rights when they join up, and until they are civilian again. Many take this transition very harsh... but it's all in your attitude.
Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by HunkaHunka
They are owned for their tenure, and there is no two ways about it. They can't even legally get a tattoo without risking being brought up on charges of defacing gov property.
This is not true. Military members can in fact get tattoos.
Five years does seem bit much if he was just running off at the mouth, but really it would be impossible to know if that was the case or not. He may have been serious and had it all planned out in his head, but without physical proof of his plans it would be impossible to prove that he was serious. Most likely he wasn't serious. Unfortunately for him they have no choice but to react as though he was.
Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by HunkaHunka
They are owned for their tenure, and there is no two ways about it. They can't even legally get a tattoo without risking being brought up on charges of defacing gov property.
This is not true. Military members can in fact get tattoos.
For an example, here is Air Force policy on tattoos and piercings:
usmilitary.about.com...
[edit on 2/27/2009 by greeneyedleo]
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It’s beginning to look like Obama needs to make some real efforts in stepping up in some way to assure the men and women serving in uniform in this country that he is a Commander in Chief worthy of their respect.
Originally posted by xmotex
He's a Marine, not a civilian.
A Marine (or anyone else serving in the .mil) has to respect their chain of command.
If the military decides it doesn't have to respect the civilian leadership, we can kiss our democracy aside.
And if a Marine had said the same threatening Bush, I would say the same thing.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
That sure would be one heck of a way to do it. I think it would be kind of easier just to lie and say you were gay?
Originally posted by saint4God
I'd go further to say that even if the guy was a civilian, making death threats on someone should be treated very seriously. Many people first think, then speak, then act. Some don't but it should certainly be a red flag when someone talks about off'ing anyone no matter who they are.
Originally posted by uaocteaou
You respect the office, not the man.