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Lawmaker Warns Of "Forced Servitude" Under Obama

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posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 10:22 AM

Lawmaker Warns Of "Forced Servitude" Under Obama

Appearing on Fox News to discuss the states’ rights movement, Itse told hosts Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade, “This is about drawing a line in the sand and saying we’ve tolerated usurpations for so long but we’re not going to tolerate you violating the constitution, we’re going to hold you accountable.”

Asked if his warning about involuntary servitude under Obama meant young people being forced to attend community service, Itse responded, “Exactly, I mean, if you are required to do a job against your will with a pay scale not set by you or not agreed to by you, that’s involuntary servitude.”

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posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 10:22 AM
I thought they backed off of this mandatory service stuff?

Are they still going to pursue it?

I know everybody appears to be divided on this issue---Many say people SHOULD be doing community service, and how it would be helpful to the community, and others say it should be a CHOICE, not an implemented FORCED activity by big brother...

Where do you stand?
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posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 10:38 AM
It should be a choice. I believe this is one example of why so many states have resolutions to declare sovereignty. It's not supposed to be the government telling us what to do. It's supposed to be us telling the government what to do.

If Rahm Emanuel has his way, I'm sure we won't have a choice.

I'll ask the question I asked a few months ago again. What's the penalty going to be if you refuse to do this government mandated community service?

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:00 AM
I want somebody to define the community service. I mean are we talking about picking up the garbage on the side of the road or is he going force the kids to sing songs to the patients at the nursing home? You can't force community service, what will we use for punishment on the celebrities if everyone has to do it?

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:01 AM
I think community service is a great thing but only through personal choice.
I for one hated to do anything if I was told to do it.

As freshmen in highschool my kids had to do 10 hours of community service for their civics class. I thought it was a good concept but my kids ended up not learning a thing about helping others. It was just more required homework for them. In my opinion the school did not go about it in the right way.

Community service should be all about helping others for the betterment of everyone involved including the person doing the work.

Being forced to do the community service I believe will only help grow resentment.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:06 AM

i clean my house, my yard, my car. you should do the same. we pay people to clean the roads and cities. anything left over in the backwoods areas should be handled by inmates.


and dont bug me about cleaning a highway that you been payed 10 times to clean already. i have more important things to worry about. like posting here

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:09 AM
but if you dont have a job... and you dont do anything really... cept sit on the couch and smoke weed and talk about your spinners... and have babies... oh AND you get free money to continue doing all that...

then get your ass outside and clean these streets that you say you "OWN" so that you can actually say... I DID SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE FOR THE REST OF TOWN, AND I THINK I DESERVE TO GET MONEY NOW.


posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:11 AM
Rahm Emanuel can take his ideas and go pound sand. If you want to see an ugly situation... just try pushing legislation like this through.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:14 AM
In boyscouts my son has to do something along the line of this service,I dont know what he's going do yet.any suggestions? please any?

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:15 AM
Havnt they ever cant make someone doing something they dont wanna do? It shuold be voluntary, not forced. I would totaly bet, if it was nationwide voluntary, more than enough people would come forward and do this. Forcing it, is demoralizing. Thats what they do in prison, make yuo work or do chores yuo dont like, but you have no choice in the matter, because your in prison! You gotta do what the warden, or guards want you to do, be it mopping the floors to painting.
This idea is just like prison and should be shamed and frowned upon.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:25 AM
reply to post by Resinveins

That was my thought. Pushing this on us and any sort of gun control will be the magic straw that broke the camel's back. This is when you'll see people take to the streets.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:32 AM
reply to post by mahtoosacks

I agree. I think there are many out there that truely need help from the government or others. But there are also those that don't get a job because they make more off of welfare and foodstamps.

Maybe there should be a requirement that in order to recieve government money you need to put in so many hours of community service. That where it should start in my opinion.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:35 AM
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

I say it should vary on a case by case basis. If you drop out of high school and don't seek any productive work (dealing drugs may be lucrative but it is definitely not productive) then yes, you should be forced into a work program that gives back to the community. If you are on unemployment and struggling to find a job I would think that a program like this would benefit you. You would actually be producing something for the money that is being paid out to the unemployed.

However, if you are going after college degrees and such you should be given a specified amount of time after completion of the program to try and find a position. You should also be allowed to leave once you have obtained a higher paying position within your career path.

Because if every single person is simply forced to work for the government then it becomes slavery and that is unacceptable. The idea that every single citizen should have government experience is not right.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:55 AM

Originally posted by secretstash what will we use for punishment on the celebrities if everyone has to do it?

If it's anything like taxation the punishment will be imprisonment or death.

Most likely they will backdoor mandate by putting minimum service requirements in things like school loans, home loans, various licenses, etc...

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 12:02 PM
The Federal Government should not be allowed, nor do I believe that it technically IS allowed to mandate service unless in times of war - the legal kind - where congress declares its validity.

Of course this is all for nothing - they will do as they have done for the last several decades..., whatever they want. This happens because;

A - the entire political body is beholden to the same revenue source,
B - the primary medium for public communication is 'owned',
C - the national population has been clearly influenced by a high-level form of propaganda,
D - Partisanship is used as a tool to keep us divided.
E - the actuators of policy are removed from the consequences of their actions.

When the organizers of our 'national climate' declared "Annuit Coeptis" they meant it! They have seized all the tools necessary to abuse the privileges granted the federal government by the States, and the states have allowed it to happen because those 'selected' to represent them are part of the problem - some more so than others.

The means was corporate and financial control in a driven consumerist society conditioned to appreciate materialism over culture.

Forced servitude is merely the 'stick' to the carrot of a 'future' they promise us is Utopian in aim. I don't expect many will follow my gist here; but I am certain, we need to restore our federal government - it has already been undermined and overthrown by transnational corporate 'barons of industry'.
The States are teetering towards the same fate. My own, New York, is all but a lost cause - unless some miraculous turn of events causes a lot of people to question the fundamentals of 'American Life' we will soon simply be a operational branch under a singular Federal enterprise.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 12:12 PM
Coming from the UK this is the first I've heard of 'community service' being forced upon a western nation, I'm deeply shocked!

Here this is purely reserved for criminals who can either accept the punishment or go to jail - it seems fair, repairing the damage they've caused to communities through gangs, etc. But forcing this upon students and the like? Absolute insanity, fascism at it's finest.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 12:23 PM
Its not what you are contrubiting to the community or state or even country, but what and how our national government is mandating how you spend your time. With the national government becoming bigger and bigger and states going broke its only a matter of time and events before all consittutional rights are thrown out the door and full Government control over state, bank, life and religion are one.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 03:45 PM
Even uttering the words

"Compulsory service"

Has now put my country on an imminent path to civil war

I hope those that actually believe so deeply in their commitments to how people in other states, other neighborhoods of other cultures should live as they do and are such bad people the Nation needs to set in and detain them and force them into "Camps" a few weeks of the year to "work for free" (slave) and be reeducated into your beliefs which in the amount to nothing other than one world reversal of the philosophies of the Nazis with a beige Multi cultural Uber Mench twist are as strong in action as to the enforcement of these beliefs.

Because the civil war was the bloodiest war in our history and sadly support of those who would place children is such bondage, ultimately means some of your neighbors and you will have to face off.

I dare say ahead of time

That we cannot contain Afghanistan in 8 years time, let alone 25 states of the Union

I would also add, now that we have been put on the side of destiny here...

The Federal Government has no chance against the states that would rebel

In the first Civil war Industry was to dominate over Agriculture...

Today, there is no Industry in Detroit and New York or San Fransisco, the Liberal, Socialist, federal crowd has perhaps numbers by demographic...

But be aware, the tech sector is with the Rural population, the Deal today is COMMUNICATION not Industry

and Millions of tech workers like myself have gone back woods, off the grid even into Rural area because we work from Home...the Money isn;t in the cities this time, the factories aren;t there...the Food and the Tech Money is on the other side this time... there is no winning a fight when you can't even get food to your troops

In Civil War 1, NY could produce the Food, Washington locally could feed it's population, the bullet factories were in the cities too

This time the Guns, The Money, the Food is all out of their hands entirely

The leaders that kiss global arse, encourage Gun control and sold your jobs overseas...

Will of course not Supply the Fed or it's supporters with food and ammo, not even psuedo allies like India... it's in any nations best interests at this point and time to see Washington vanish...

They are bankrupt, the socialist supporters who rely on them for food and money will find themselves sh out of luck when they need those things for having supported the Fed

The people your neighbors in the large Urban population centers that are selling us out to socialism... these people are NOT Survivors... they were disarmed years ago, the ones that weren't are punk gang bangers who wont last 5 minutes in the fields and mountains and canyons of America

The interests and niche civil rights groups that see the fed as an answer to their social issues and support them...won't compromise a very good Army

Don't get me wrong... I grew up in NYC and love my home and my family

But I make no illusions that cubicle workers, gang bangers, Gay artists and Chasidc Jews compromising the Urban Liberal neighborhood I grew up in... even could offer, even if organized right anything other than being the recipients of a 50-1 kill ratio against them if they try and hold by being drafted into an insanity even ONE US State.

The supporters...simply aren't mostly people who can last long in the field

And the Military will turn on them

Some may argue that... but they would be wrong

Because Obama wouldn't have plans for a "Civilian Military" to match the US Army if they thought the Army would mostly turn out for them...

They are going to fill yet another monstrosity with fighters, except... it's supporters it's joiners will be a joke.

Imagine... almost the whole National Army, Half the countries national guards and militias... driven by people and states where there are almost no actual centralized targets to fight against and with survivors, hunters, military men leading the fight


a Draft from within the inner cities and a Civilian defense force comprised of Liberal Urban dwellers... who would have to either Enter the VAST wilderness of America to Flush out resistors... and do so WHILE defending Large Centralized population centers extremely vulnerable to any sort of attack

It really isn't a pretty picture

I side with Winners myself

all politics and beliefs aside...

The Federal government will have to back down or if in stubbornness Obama doesn't we are looking at the dissolution of the United States and there is Simply NO Way that fight can be won by the Federal government

We are talking about a Knock out victory by the States in question if things were to come down to secessionist moves and conflict.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 04:06 PM
kind of also bears mentioning that...

Something to the Tune of 20,000 of our dismantled Nuclear Missiles from the cold war are in Texas, California and Colorado... warheads just sitting around...

If a fight did come, the Fed won't have an entire coast given that California has stepped up on this topic, the majority of it's Nukes will be within the states seeking rectification of these abuses as well, so are the gun factories and ammunition factories and as I said above the food.

Lets just hope in all seriousness, the Liberal Elitists that run the Major Urban centers aren't so LOST in a self created sense of philosophy that they are aware of how badly they would get their arses handed to them if they dare try slavery on some of our children.

posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 04:28 PM
Didnt Kennedy say something along the lines of ''dont ask what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country'' or something like that ....... well here is your answer NATIONAL SERVICE in the form of community service.

I cannot see a problem with this. If you have left school with no job, then earn your 'payments' by doing this National Service ....... seems fair to me.

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