Whites fleeing Caribbean Islands - Guadeloupe and Martinique - Riots

reply to post by ANOK


Yeah, I'm very serious. The whole "evil invading westerners" bullshcrap gets real old. Was there anything preventing the islanders from continuing their old methods of hunting/gathering/farming, whatever it was they did to make their way? Nope. They got just as greedy as the evil capitalists you enjoy ranting on. Centuries ago, a European ship landed there, men got out carrying rifles, swords, and warm blankets, and the islanders thought "Hey, let's offer to trade some of these shells, some of our women, and some *insert native trading objects here* for a few of those neat toys and warm blankets. The difference is, they never adpated to the modern changing times. Instead of adjusting themselves, through education, ingenuity, and personal aspirations to produce goods or offer services relevant in todays technological world, they want to be paid the same level for the same services and trinkets they've been offering for centuries.

Sorry, a dishwasher shouldn't make enough money to do much other than barely make it... neither should a ditch digger, a janitor, or a valet. If everyone made the same money, then there would be no incentive for people to better their skills and knowledge to get better employment and we'd be a world full of gas station attendants and window washers with nobody making enough to even warrant having such fields of work in the first place.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Sorry, a dishwasher shouldn't make enough money to do much other than barely make it... neither should a ditch digger, a janitor, or a valet. If everyone made the same money, then there would be no incentive for people to better their skills and knowledge to get better employment and we'd be a world full of gas station attendants and window washers with nobody making enough to even warrant having such fields of work in the first place.

On the flip side should a typical fortune 500 CEO be making millions of dollars as his company crashes to the ground? The fact is most of our executives are vastly over paid and that generally is at the expense of the working class. The fact is wages for the working class have gone no where and I mean this literally over the past 10 years or so. Meanwhile we have more billionaires than ever. Im no socialist but you cant keep a strong economy with no base aka a middle class. We have seen a lot of greed at the top and this has to change.

reply to post by ANOK


The plasma TV comment was me being an ass because I felt that you were being an ass. Good for the goose, good for the gander. Generally this little guy => is used to demonstrate when I'm being facetious.

reply to post by tjeffersonsghost


My take on CEO pay is this, as long as the company isn't recieving government handouts/bailouts, it is NONE of the government's business what the executives are being paid. That is an issue between the board and the shareholders. Historically, shareholders had the abillity to rectify these situations by dumping stock and even bringing the company to its knees if they continued their unethical practices. Unfortunately, we now have a government which stopped believing in capitalism and adopted socialism of debt, meaning that abillity is no longer present and said companies can just stick their hand out to the feds.

TJ's Ghost, you and I have been in enough of these threads together for you to know what direction I'll take on this issue. I believe that prior to last year's unprecidented and shamefull actions of our tax dollars bailing out failing institutions, capitalism was in effect and was perfectly capible of self-correcting these situations. Bottom line, you let the damn companies fall if they are unable to sustain themselves. You maintain transparency in all publically traded companies, if the shareholders believe the upper brass is getting paid too much they tank the stock, if the consumer thinks they're paid too much they boycott and tank the profits, the comapny fails, and if the market from which the comapny came still has a need for the suddenly vacant space to be filled, another corporations steps up and takes the risk needed to try and fill the void.

The troubles started when transparency was abandoned and then it became a catastrophy when tax payer money was used to save them from a crisis of their own making. Capitalism has never failed us, but the horsecrap going on now utterly and totally failed capitalism.

reply to post by questioningall


Hi questioningall,
This is a good post. I just got back from St. Thomas a few weeks ago from vacation. What a nightmare that was. It was the worst experience of our lives. The very first night we were there, a local tried to attack us and also tried to expose himself to my 9 year old daughter. We were constantly bombarded with taxi drivers asking us if we needed a ride even though we had a rental car. Then when you told them no, they just looked at you like they hadn't heard you and asked again. The food prices there were outrageous, and then at night very weird, paranormal things happened in our cottage while we were sleeping. These are just some of the terrible things that happened while we were there. I will never go back if I have a choice.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


Actually in a perfect world what you say works but in reality people dont boycott companies that cut pay for the working class or places that send jobs over seas to save money. Those CEOs who do this tend to make the most money. Now we live in a country called America and I think we need to start thinking a least a little bit of our countries interest and it is not in our countries interest to have no middle class. Now Im not saying the government should be telling people what to pay their employees but I do feel that getting tax breaks for shipping jobs over seams is wrong and just plain disgusting. If you ship a job over seas you get taxed period. Also enough of the company bailouts. Let businesses fail. A lot of these companies that are failing and getting bailouts are companies I am talking about who send jobs over seas in mass while giving themselves pay raises. Let these pricks fail.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


I agree 100% .. the Gov has no say on the CEO, only the Share Holders. Any form, and I mean ANY form of interference in the system is bad, especially capping pay. Even more so when it's the Government saying "who gets paid to much".

IMO, it all comes down to jealousy.

In the fairy tale world of Anok, perhaps the CEO's get paid the same as the Mail Room Clerk and all the World's babies are fed and happy and set to reproduce another generation. But this is Capitalism, which is slowly deteriorating.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
reply to post by antar

 

St. Croix IS the United States .... it is part of the US Virgin Islands which is a US territory. The population of about 100,000 is 75% Black and 32% live under the poverty rate and have a tenancy to act out whenever their is some sort of hurricane or natural disaster. There was another big hurricane in the late 1990s/early 2000s where they had to send in the regular US Army after the USVI Army National Guard did little if anything to stop the looting and violence.

That was hurricane Marilyn, but it was not so bad, St. Thomas was hurt, but the destruction was not like Hugo. During Hugo the whole complete island of St. Croix was wiped out!! There was not much left and people went nuts. The military finally made it there, I think it was 4 or 5 days after the hurricane, they actually were rolling off the planes as the planes were landing with their guns drawn. We were under martial law there for a few months, with curfews and all.

Originally posted by wrangell76
reply to post by questioningall

 

Hi questioningall,
This is a good post. I just got back from St. Thomas a few weeks ago from vacation. What a nightmare that was. It was the worst experience of our lives. The very first night we were there, a local tried to attack us and also tried to expose himself to my 9 year old daughter. We were constantly bombarded with taxi drivers asking us if we needed a ride even though we had a rental car. Then when you told them no, they just looked at you like they hadn't heard you and asked again. The food prices there were outrageous, and then at night very weird, paranormal things happened in our cottage while we were sleeping. These are just some of the terrible things that happened while we were there. I will never go back if I have a choice.

Wow, where did you stay?

St. Thomas is the armpit of the Caribbean (that is what I call it), I lived there for many many years, my mom was there for over 20 years. Anyway, friends have said it has become terribly dangerous and people are getting killed a lot there now. I know and am afraid for my friends who were born there and have lived there, their whole lives. Both white and black friends. I think it is going to become a very tough place to live. But anywhere in the islands, even in the most "civilized" islands are going to have a rough time. Prices are very expensive for everything as it is, once inflation takes grip, I can't imagine what will happen.

This is a good thing,

My hopes are that white people are forced to leave all their colonies
across the globe. They took them by forceful invasions, destroyed the
natives, and treat them like Untermenschen even to this very day.

It's time the natives across the world take back what's rightfully theirs.
It's too late for north and south America to be given back to the rightful
owners, but there are many smaller colonies where it is certainly not
too late yet. Such as Australia, Hawaii, Caribeans and others like them.

In case you wonder, I am white myself, but injustice has no color.

[edit on (23/2/09) by Wehali]

Boy I love communists they think their system is the best but it hasn't worked yet. As a matter of fact when the church started out it was a commune and paul had to make a decree that the people that refuse to work shall not eat. Boy that sounds like a system that really works doesn't it. The communist system in its self is slavery but yet they don't even mention it or fail to even think about it. The communistic government has to force people to work certain professions. Why on earth would people want to be a high skilled profession when there is no reward for it. The system is so great that sailors were jumping off the ships to goto other countries. I for one will refuse to step foot on a damn boat if this system goes to communism because why should I be gone from home for 24 hours a day when the average burger flipper only has to work 8 hours a day to get his monthly rations. You fail to admit that this system even though has its problems is the only one that has worked for thousands of years.

Real Communism hasn't existed on this planet for quite a while, and still
does not. What you people call communism and communist countries, are
nothing but dictatorships, one worse than the other.

But before you decide to hate it, remember that our democracies are in fact
dictatorships too. Our forms of democracy is much worse than most other
political structures, because people are given the illusion that they are free,
when in fact they are slaves.

No one in a democracy, except the very rich, can live the life they truly
want to live. All our political structures are like this.. modern man is ruled
only by dictatorship. Freedom hasn't existed since the demise of native
societies.. which may I remind you, were destroyed by modern man.

The native north Americans lived in communes, in communist systems,
where all were truly equal and free, without any government or leaders
telling anyone what to do. They lived in a harmonic paradise, we have to
learn from their history and their culture, because it is the only way that
we will be able to survive in the future.

[edit on (23/2/09) by Wehali]

Well the native american way of life is a noble life. I don't think its possible though especially with the amount of people in this world. Everyone is different and You will have some that will aspire to power while You will have the others that don't want to work at all. Both of the above are the real enemies of humanity because they both seek to enslave their fellow man.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
Persoanlly, im all in favor of civil unrest

I know its messed up and all, and woundt wanan hurt anyone, but buring down CEO and coporate buildings who deserve it is like the icing on the cake

I think it would be FAR WISER to just overtake the buildings and open them up for homeless habitation....let each of the local poor and downtrodden fix up a few rooms for themselves to live in......office buildings are a far cry better than no shelter.Dont throw out the baby with the bathwater......
.....its the HUMAN members of said corporations that we need to be rid of, not the infrastructure. I hear the privately run prisons are plentiful, and we COULD fill them with all the cruddy corporate cretonnes.
Burning down the buildings is a short sighted as what the locals are doing on the islands...

[edit on 23-2-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

reply to post by theRiverGoddess


That is the problem, the locals/islanders burn down and destroy and it is sad. They don't realize they are hurting themselves when they do that. They want to destroy the "rich peoples" businesses and places.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by ziggy1706

 

Are you also a fan of kicking your supervisor in the nuts when he hands you your paycheck every other week?

There's nothing 'civil' about rioting. Even calling it 'civil unrest' is a sugar coated misnomer.

I don't think there are very many people here that are just handed a paycheck.

Most of us have already put in over two weeks of blood sweat and tears to collect that check.

It is not a gift and the boss is no benevolent benefactor.

Originally posted by ChrisF231

They will soon find out that while they hated white people, they won't be able to live without them.

Africa realized that too late ... look at what happened to them post independence when even the UN admits they were better off under colonial rule.

Africans could not get adequate education to enable growth while they were ruled by colonial powers. Now that they have a measure of liberty, they can start the long road to education and learning. Progress and culture will not evolve overnight.

It will be interesting to see if Africa can survive new encroachments from the west, particularly the US.

Originally posted by Wehali
Real Communism hasn't existed on this planet for quite a while, and still
does not. What you people call communism and communist countries, are
nothing but dictatorships, one worse than the other.

But before you decide to hate it, remember that our democracies are in fact
dictatorships too. Our forms of democracy is much worse than most other
political structures, because people are given the illusion that they are free,
when in fact they are slaves.

No one in a democracy, except the very rich, can live the life they truly
want to live. All our political structures are like this.. modern man is ruled
only by dictatorship. Freedom hasn't existed since the demise of native
societies.. which may I remind you, were destroyed by modern man.

The native north Americans lived in communes, in communist systems,
where all were truly equal and free, without any government or leaders
telling anyone what to do. They lived in a harmonic paradise, we have to
learn from their history and their culture, because it is the only way that
we will be able to survive in the future.

[edit on (23/2/09) by Wehali]

With all due respect I agree with you mostly however the history of Native Americans shows before the white man came with his evil influence there was a lot of bloody tribal war far between clans and tribes and has ever been so in any aboriginal culture I have looked at. It is a human issue of territory. Ours gets too small, yours looks good we'll take yours after all you don't need it as much as we do and you are lesser than us becaue of your colour creed, population whatever it takes to justify the rape and pillage of a culture to protect and strengthen your own whether it is done by open warfare or economical means man kind as a species has serious unresolved issues that need to be addressed and dealt with. We really are just wild and viscious animals for all our "supposed civility".

Yah man is bout time the workers overthrouw the white oppresor thats keeping them down jk
just get the french out there and bavck to France

reply to post by questioningall


I stayed on the North side in Hull bay cottages. We went down to Charlotte Amale everyday but tried to avoid it until later on in the day when the cruise ships were in. The best beach was Secret hideaway. However, the best part of the trip was sailing to St. John. That was so private and quiet, snorkeling was great and we had our own private beach to hang out on. The rest of the trip sucked, especially with that pervert freak trying to attak us at the local Texaco on the North side. Ugh.. Yuk!