Chinese troops flood Tibet

Dalai Lama: China Has Created 'Hell on Earth' in Tibet

DHARMSALA, India — China has overseen a "brutal crackdown" in Tibet since protests shook the Himalayan region last year, part of decades of Chinese oppression that have driven Tibetan culture to the verge of extinction, the Dalai Lama said Tuesday.

The Tibetan spiritual leader made the comments in a speech to mark the 50th anniversary of the failed uprising that sent him into exile.

"Even today, Tibetans in Tibet live in constant fear, and the Chinese authorities remain constantly suspicious of them," the Dalai Lama said in this Indian hill town, where he and the self-proclaimed government-in-exile have been based since shortly after fleeing their homeland.

Chinese martial law, and hard-line policies such as the Cultural Revolution, devastated the mountain region and left hundreds of thousands of Tibetans dead, he said, blasting the "brutal crackdown" in the region since protests last year turned violent.

He told a group of about 2,000 people, including Buddhist monks, Tibetan schoolchildren and a handful of foreign supporters, that the religion, culture, language and identity of successive generations of Tibetans faced "extinction." Tibetans in Tibet were living in "hell on earth," he added.

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And the world does nothing.

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TIMELINE-A year of unrest in Tibetan regions

March 14 (Reuters) - Tibetan regions are in lockdown this weekend, which marks the one-year anniversary of unrest in Lhasa and Tibetan regions across China.

(For related story see CHINA-TIBET/ or [ID:nPEK215454])

Following is a timeline of the largest and most sustained protests seen in Tibetan regions since Beijing crushed pro-independence demonstrations in 1989 and related events.

* March 10, 2008 : Five hundred monks from the Drepung monastery march into Tibet's capital, Lhasa, to mark the 49th anniversary of a quashed rebellion against communist rule. Monks from the Lhasa-area Sera and Gamden monasteries also protest.

* March 12: Thousands of Chinese security personnel fire tear gas to disperse more than 600 monks from the Sera monastery.

* March 14: Riots erupt in central Lhasa, and Tibetan crowds burn Han Chinese and Hui Muslim shops. China's official death toll is 18 civilians and one policeman.

China accuses the Dalai Lama of masterminding the unrest.

* March 15-25: Protests and marches occur in over 130 locations in parts of Sichuan, Gansu and Qinghai Provinces, which form the Tibetan areas of Kham and Amdo.

In Machu, Gansu, protesters burn Han Chinese and Hui Muslim shops. Police stations and government buildings are burned in other areas. A police station in Chamdo is damaged by a bomb.

Many other demonstrations are peaceful.

Exile Tibetan groups say nearly 200 people died in the crackdown on protests in March, and in following months. Chinese media report the death of one paramilitary policeman and one protester in western Sichuan.

Tibetan university students stage silent sit-ins in Xining, Lanzhou and Beijing.

Tibet and Tibetan areas close to foreigners, and remain closed for most of the summer.

* March 15-18: Pro-Tibetan protests in Nepal, Paris, New York, Sydney and elsewhere.

* March 27: Monks at the Jokhang monastery in Lhasa burst in on a government-led tour of foreign journalists, screaming "Tibet is not free" and saying China is lying about the Dalai Lama.

* April 3: Police fire on protesters in Donggu Township, Ganzi Prefecture, in Western Sichuan.

* April 7: Pro-Tibet protester snatches the Olympic Torch from wheelchair-bound athlete Jin Jing. Pro-Tibet and pro-Chinese protesters dog the Olympic torch relay through Western Europe, Australia and San Francisco.

Chinese students picket Carrefour supermarkets in China.

* April 9: Monks at the Labrang monastery in Gansu surround a government-led tour of foreign journalists, crying "We have no freedom, we have no rights".

* April 28: A policeman and an alleged protest leader are killed in a shootout in Qinghai province.

* May 8: Amidst tight security, the Olympic torch is carried to the top of Mt Everest.

* Aug 8: The Olympic games open in Beijing. Pro-Tibet activists stage several small protests.

* Autumn: Lhasa and other Tibetan areas re-open to foreign tourists

* November. Rounds of talks between Chinese and envoys of the Dalai Lama end without progress.

Tibetan exiles meet in Dharamsala, India, and agree to continuing supporting the Dalai Lama's "Middle Way"

* Dec 6: French president Nicholas Sarkozy meets the Dalai Lama, spurring China to call off a European Union Summit.

* January, 2009. Many Tibetans choose to mark the New Year, or Losar, in silence and mourning. Depending on the area, the Tibetan New Year fell in late January or late February.

* Jan 25: Xiahe, home to the Labrang monastery, closes to foreign tourists.

February: Security forces reinforced in Tibetan areas.

* Feb 25: Tibet closes to foreign tourists.

* Feb 27: A Tibetan monk sets himself on fire at the Kirti Monastery, Aba, Sichuan. He survives after police put out fire.

* March 9: Tibetan areas of Qinghai province close to foreigners.

* March 10: Dalai Lama marks the 50th anniversary of his exile saying Tibet had become a "hell on earth".

* March 13: Chinese premier Wen Jiabao says China is willing to meet with Dalai Lama's envoys as long as he renounces "separatism." (Reporting by Lucy Hornby; Editing by Valerie Lee)

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Who knows what is really going on.

More Troubles :-(

Tibetan monks 'held after riot'

The unrest was apparently sparked after a monk detained for advocating Tibetan independence escaped from jail

Chinese authorities said the monk fled on Saturday and was still missing.

But a Tibetan website said the monk had killed himself by jumping into a river.

It is difficult to confirm reports from Tibetan areas because foreigners are not allowed into Tibet and access to surrounding regions is restricted.

Especially as one report shows below that GCHQ the british Intelligence centre has confirmed that the Chinese have started the unrest themselves as a reason to crackdown on peaceful monks!

BBC

This seems to have been outside even of Tibets borders before the chinese invasion.

The Chinese reports have to be taken as very State run and not a accurate representation of any truth within Tibet etc as otherwise why would there be a blanket ban on vistors and journalists to the areas?

Of interest to anyone who who would like an eye witness account of what is happening really to the Tibetans is shown below, footage showing Tibetan refugees fleeing across the Himalayas, just Nuns being shot at as target practise by the Chinese soldiers on the Nanga pass




And Further Richard gere discuss the event here:



Sick.

There are many reports of chinese soldiers and intelligence services posing as Monks and starting riots:

Sources at British Spy Agency Confirm Tibetan Claims of Staged Violence

LONDON—Britain's GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.

Epoch Times

What is really happening in Tibet and is ongoing now for nearly 60 years is nothing else than genocide, and a blind eye is turned by the world as there is no oil or money to be made, and china owns so much American debt.

Elf.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Why didn't you mention this part of your news story?

The monks were held after a crowd of at least 100 [B]attacked a police station[/B] in La'gyab township in Qinghai province on Saturday, Xinhua news agency said.

The agency quoted officials as saying policemen and government staff had been assaulted and "slightly injured".

You can't have missed it, they're the first two lines. You picked it up directly after. Why is that?

This story from the Toronto Star calrifies things a bit more - the 100 arrested were monks, for whatever that's worth. The total crowd was over 2,000.

Answer me this: In what country are large groups of people allowed to walk free after storming a police station?

Another oddity of the story surrounds what they're calling the suicide:

(from the above toronto star link)
A former resident of the area who now lives in Dharmsala, India, said the protesters were angry because they believed the man, a 28-year-old monk named Tashi Sangpo, jumped in the river to commit suicide after fleeing. "When Tashi was being interrogated by the officials, he asked their permission to go to the toilet.

He then went out and jumped into the Yellow River," the exile said on condition of anonymity, citing fear of reprisals against his family still living in China. ``The dead body is yet to be found.''

A couple of things to consider:

1) Police engaged in the interrogation of political dissidents don't let their prisoners wander off to take a squirt without an escort. That kind of freedom in custody is hardly indicative of a "brutal crackdown".

2) The suicide is speculation. Given that the police pretty much let him get away - as in out of the building and down to the river, it's pretty much even odds that he came ashore 50m downstream and has gone to ground. If the cops couldn't be bothered keeping an eye on him as he wandered off to the loo, they probably couldn't be all that bothered keeping an eye on him once he hit the riverbank.

3) Jumping out a window at a police station, legging it to the river and diving in is not, strictly speaking, a suicide attempt. It's called escaping, at least it is everywhere else in the world. Why does the media, in this case, play up the disappearance angle and the suicide angle?

Doesn't add up.

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I think the Video clip showing Soldiers shooting fleeing innocent unarmed refugee nuns says it all.

The information you post is released by a REGIME the PRC that has not allowed ANY western or other visitor's, Journalists or others into Tibet for a While now.

Why would I believe them when they have carried out these sorts of actions for over half a century, on the Tibetans and their own people like in Tianamen square?



I have UN documents, eye witness testimonies, and as shown Video footage with a Report from the British Intelligence Service that shows that the PRC is creating a lot of the problems and then capitalising on it to use it as an excuse to further decimate the Tibetan population.



And also here:



As reuturs reports here:



Why did you not mention the 6000 monastries destroyed by the Chinese, that is entering with guns and soldiers and killing, murdering Peaceful Monks and Nuns before blowing them up.

Genocide is Genocide full stop.

Elf.

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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by vox2442

 

The information you post is released by a REGIME the PRC that has not allowed ANY western or other visitor's, Journalists or others into Tibet for a While now.

Why would I believe them when they have carried out these sorts of actions for over half a century, on the Tibetans and their own people like in Tianamen square?

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I'm interested in THIS story. Not what happened 20 years ago in Beijing, not what happened in 2006 at Nangpa La.

The information I posted comes from 2 sources: One, the Chinese media, and two - the part I asked you to comment on - the account from a Tibetan in exile in India. Not part of the PRC controlled media. HIS story doesn't add up. Why should I believe HIS story?

US House Speaker Pelosi in China for climate talks

BEIJING (AFP) – US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a longtime critic of Beijing's rule over Tibet and its rights record, arrived in China on Sunday for a trip focused on energy and climate change.

Oh to heck with Tibet. China has us in their back pocket now.

news.yahoo.com...

Whether one believes in a religion or not, and whether one believes in rebirth or not, there isn't anyone who doesn't appreciate kindness and compassion.

The 14th Dalai Lama

A wise soul, and everyday I pray he'll return to his home and be rid of China forever to stop raping their country.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
The Communist Party of China, once again, destroying people and a country, just because they believe they have the right to.

This makes me sick...

China has, since their invasion of Tibet in 1957, raped and pillaged Tibet of it's resources, customs, and it's religion.

I always hope that the Dalai Lama, whether it be the 14th or a later Dalai Lama, returns to Tibet and rids China from it.

Tibet was invaded by China long, long before 1957. They held a presence in Tibet via a bunch of "missions" where troops were stationed, and in 1905 the 13th Dalai Lama was exiled to India. He was able to return and expel China in 1913.

The prophecies claim that the last true Dalai Lama was the 13th Dalai Lama. While i hope to see The Inmost One return to his seat as the head of the Tibetan state, i don't think it will happen. I am not really even sure how to view the current Dalai Lama, based on Tibetan prophecy. In 1933, when the 13th Dalai Lama dies, he further prophecises that "The future holds darkness and misery".

Stormdancer/Ish....thank you very much for posting this. Tibet is a nation that needs, above all, our "prayers". Please, please....everyone "pray" for those in Tibet to be able to get through their tribulations.

What is the strategic importance of Tibet? What makes it so valuable? Does it have a bunch of natural resources like fuel or precious metals or minerals? Why does China want it so badly? Is it because China hates religion like that Folun Gong?

reply to post by TurkeyBurgers


Tibet has lots of natural resources. They do not mine their resources, instead collecting what is washed down the rivers.

I have heard stories of caves in Tibet that have walls lined with gold ore.

China has been a nation ignoring their soul for far too long. One wonders how long it will be before they begin to tend their garden once again?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by TurkeyBurgers

 

Tibet has lots of natural resources. They do not mine their resources, instead collecting what is washed down the rivers.

I have heard stories of caves in Tibet that have walls lined with gold ore.

China has been a nation ignoring their soul for far too long. One wonders how long it will be before they begin to tend their garden once again?

Hi Tex, those caves are said to hold more secrets then gold.

www.buddhistchannel.tv...,4062,0,0,1,0



I can only imagine.

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reply to post by Stormdancer777


If you believe Rampa, there are some marvelous things hidden in them 'thar hills.

Read "The Cave Of The Ancients". If you believe what he says, it is amazing and it mirrors thoughts expressed by others such as Cayce.

Monday, May 25 2009 @ 03:38 am BST

Tibet ‘Report’ Conjures Communist Illusions
www.tibetcustom.com...

Let’s get one thing right here. There are no truly independent non-governmental organizations in communist China. Every facet of research, education, journalism, law and all other social and civil institutions and agencies exist only with the authority and supervision of the state. No dissent from the official line is tolerated and such bodies serve whatever propaganda purpose tasked to them by their overlords.

Oh I see something similar is happening here.

With imperialistic arrogance its findings (and the phrase is applied loosely) imply that the otherwise obedient ‘natives’ will be satisfied with an improved economic condition. Such strategy has an ancient pedigree. It was Taoist philosopher Lao Tzu who counselled that the best way to keep a people simple and rustic was to “fill their bellies and empty their minds” How communist China would appreciate a docile population of Tibetans, spaced-out on the tacky excesses of Chinese occupation.

the best way to keep a people simple and rustic was to “fill their bellies and empty their minds”

ummhmmmmm



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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

If you believe Rampa, there are some marvelous things hidden in them 'thar hills.

Read "The Cave Of The Ancients". If you believe what he says, it is amazing and it mirrors thoughts expressed by others such as Cayce.

I think I remember reading that at one time.

Who knows what kind of timeless information they may hold.

When you read the Hindu ancient Sanskrit manuscript, one wonders what they could reveal if only we truly knew how to interpret them.

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
What is the strategic importance of Tibet? What makes it so valuable? Does it have a bunch of natural resources like fuel or precious metals or minerals? Why does China want it so badly? Is it because China hates religion like that Folun Gong?

And those are the questions, very good questions.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777


the best way to keep a people simple and rustic was to “fill their bellies and empty their minds”

ummhmmmmm

Wow...his logic fails in Tibet. This is a land that constantly borders on starvation. The people are perpetually hungry. The monks, primarily, survive on tsampa (tea and barley, with a few other things like salt thrown in to boost nutritional value).

Tibet is a land that, historically, has had a fairly large amount of folks who had empty bellys and full minds. Of course, the "layperson" would be more like us in the west in that they pursue things that are less spiritual and more materialistic. But the buddhist faith permeates the nation, and does provide for a dichotomy that is mostly alien to the average westerner.

This is a land that constantly borders on starvation

What do you think it is like there now?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Depends on who you are.

If you are a monk, you are concerned for your safety, and the safety of your temples and the people of Tibet.

If you are a layperson, you are concerned for your safety, and the safety of the Lama's.

If you are a lama or abbott, you are concerned for little outside the loss of the holy temples, the loss of the national character, and the safety of the Dalai Lama.

I doubt they starve much more than they did already. It isn't like they are actually starving a la Ethiopa during the 80's. But, for the most part, you are able to get "just enough" food to stave off starvation. Not everyone in TIbet is faithful, but most observe the faith. And not every monk is "holy", as "monk" describes someone who is in the employ of one of the Temples (many "monks" are very much laypeople who perform tasks for the Temples, such as the barber or someone who provides in a servant capacity).

I am far from expert on Tibet...but it is a land that fascinates me with its pragmatism.