State Senator Dan Patrick… “TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD ON ALERT

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GEO, thanks for the new information. I'm trying to keep this thread going, because I truly believe this is going to be the spark that kindles massive civil unrest in the US, and I want Americans to be prepared.
Comcast has been down much of the weekend, so I haven't been able to get on more than a few minutes, before it goes down again.

That brings up another real concern. The government KNOWS that the internet is the main means of communications for many trying to oppose what is going on, and I wouldn't be surprised if more and more "outages" take place.

I wouldn't put it past the Obama administration to order all ISP's to shut down, due to a "national emergency", if the government tries something. We will be helpless to communicate, or understand what it going on in the country, as the MSM is complicit with the government.

I was talking with my father in Mesa,Az yesterday. He's a retired LC in the Air force. He's all riled up over this(among other gov't issues) and he was telling me about the uproar down in Nogales,Az but searching the internet, I really can't find alot. I'm very firm on believing that our gov't/media is really trying to downplay this.

And if I haven,t said this- Thanks for the thread

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Yes, there were problems in Nogales. Here is what I know:

www.newsmax.com...

Phoenix Reels as Mexican Drug Kidnappings, Violence Grows Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:13 PM
An unprecedented wave of Third World-style kidnappings by well-armed drug gangs in Phoenix has stymied city leaders and law enforcement while driving up the city’s crime rate dramatically.

Despite arrests and the dismantlement of at least 20 kidnapping “cells,” the crime wave has turned the city into the “kidnap for ransom capital” of the United States. Police say the crimes are linked to the local drug trade — the surrounding Valley of the Sun is a national distribution hub for the U.S. drug trade — but others suggest that Mexico’s narcotics war has now fully engulfed the city.

Police received 366 kidnapping-for-ransom reports last year and 359 in 2007, but authorities estimate that twice that number go unreported, according to the Los Angeles Times. In September, police spun off a separate detective unit to handle only these smuggling-related kidnappings and home-invasion robberies. Its detectives are now considered among the nation’s most expert in those crimes.

"It's about profit," said Lt. Lauri Burgett, the lead investigator assigned to the Phoenix-led regional kidnapping task force, told the Arizona Republic. "It's been a secret society in a lot of ways because so much of it goes unreported."

Kidnappings for ransom long have been a dominant feature of the drug trade in both Mexico and Colombia, where thousands have been taken hostage by guerrillas linked to the major cartels. So many thousands have been kidnapped in both countries over the last decade that radio shows featuring messages from victims’ relatives are a way of life. Kidnap retrieval is also a huge specialty among security firms based in Mexico and the United States.

In both nations, the hostage-taking wave at first stayed within drug gangs, their soldiers and their families. But kidnappers later began to target businessmen, journalists, politicians, and children of both country’s elites.

In Phoenix, though, the biggest problem now is when innocent citizens are caught up in the violence. Detectives wonder how long they can stave off the violence that has left more than 8,000 people dead in Mexico in the past two years.

"Sometimes these guys are so brazen, they hit the wrong house," Burgett said.

The near-daily kidnappings and home invasions in Phoenix often involve masked gunmen armed with high-powered assault rifles and bulletproof vests, emulating tactical strike-team maneuvers to force others to forfeit drugs or cash. Roughly half of all marijuana seized along the U.S.-Mexico border was taken on Arizona's 370-mile border with Mexico.

The targets are usually drug stash houses and their keepers scattered throughout the region. Both the perpetrators and their victims tend to be Mexicans with roots in the Mexican state of Sinaloa. Phoenix has long been a destination for Sinaloans, and only the rare kidnapper is not from Sinaloa, according to detectives.

The bulk of these criminals are recruited from the ranks of poor illegal day laborers from three large Sinaloan towns: Los Mochis, Leyva, and Guasave. They sign on to kidnap gangs for between $50 and $200 a day, investigators told the Los Angeles Times.

Incidents in which gangs of gunmen pose as police are common in Arizona. On June 26, one group of gunmen — mistaken initially for military commandos or SWAT officers — fired more than 100 rounds into a drug house in a working class Phoenix neighborhood. Police later reported that Andrew Williams, a Jamaican drug dealer killed in the shootout, was targeted by the group for marijuana and cash.

The problem has plagued Phoenix and the surrounding region for years. In 2005, then-Gov. Janet Napolitano, now the U.S. Homeland Security secretary, declared a "crisis" after a crime wave and again after another round of violence prompted a surge of border patrol agents in 2007. Drug dealers have waged violent battles over smuggling routes and territory as long as narcotics have been around, said Doug Coleman, a federal drug-enforcement agent in Phoenix who sees the spike in kidnappings-for-ransom as a new twist on an old tactic.

Coleman told the Arizona Republic that an escalation of kidnapping involving innocent citizens is still unlikely in the United States, where it would be counterproductive for narcotics distribution and sales. The notion of drug dealers targeting law-enforcement officials, as they've done in Mexico, or innocent Arizonans, would be counterproductive, Coleman said.

Law enforcement seized nearly 900,000 pounds of marijuana between Arizona points of entry in 2007, and more pot is seized along the Arizona-Mexico border than any other Southwestern state, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. In 2008, local and federal agents dismantled the Garibaldi-Lopez Drug Trafficking Organization, which has smuggled more than 2 million pounds of marijuana worth $1 billion wholesale over the border in just five years.

The alleged members of one gang recently arrested in Phoenix, whose story was described in a recent Los Angeles Times article, painted a bleak picture of desperate illegal immigrants driven to kidnap either by gangs in Mexico or the United States.

Max Portillo, 24, told the Times he’d been having trouble with a drug smuggler in Nogales, Mexico known as El Chueco – “Twisted.” El Chueco told him of a man in Phoenix who owed him for a load of marijuana. El Chueco wanted someone to kidnap the man to get his money or drugs back.

El Chueco means the "Crook" or "twisted" one, in Spanish.

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I'm very firm on believing that our gov't/media is really trying to downplay this. And if I haven,t said this- Thanks for the thread

You're welcome, BTW.
I agree with you and your father, that this is a very serious problem, which could be the spark to complete civil unrest in this country.
At this point, the Obama administration doesn't have a clue, as to what to do. They have been IGNORING the problem, because the "touchy-feely" liberal clowns now running the country, don't want to OFFEND the Mexicans, or their illegal Mexicans who still managed to vote for them, and their "friendly approach" to terrorist states. Obama has done everything but wave the white flag of surrender, and I wouldn't put it past him to do that at some time. He and his administration are an embarrassment to the precepts of the Constitution and our Founding Fathers.

In both nations, the hostage-taking wave at first stayed within drug gangs, their soldiers and their families. But kidnappers later began to target businessmen, journalists, politicians, and children of both country’s elites.

In Phoenix, though, the biggest problem now is when innocent citizens are caught up in the violence. Detectives wonder how long they can stave off the violence that has left more than 8,000 people dead in Mexico in the past two years.

I don't think there is a need to prove how the Cartels have corrupted their own gov't but our gov't tends to believe that this is a war amoungst the Cartels for power. When the Cartels (now remember that they influence their own gov't) start coming on to our soils and start violence and kidnapping with innocent victims, wouldn't that constitute an act of Terrorism? This in which would require our Dept. of Homeland Security to intervein to which we haven't heard anything from them. I tell ya they are going to wait till the SHTF before doing anything.

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When the Cartels (now remember that they influence their own gov't) start coming on to our soils and start violence and kidnapping with innocent victims, wouldn't that constitute an act of Terrorism?

Yes, it would constitute an act of terrorism, as far as I'm concerned, and I take it, for you also.
Unfortunately, administrations have a warped sense of what they consider terrorism. For instance, I considered some of the actions by Israeli IDF members against innocent civilians in Gaza to be terrorist acts, but obviously, our government didn't see it that way. BTW, I'm not saying that there was no terrorism on the part of Hamas, because there was, but sometimes the US government has a way of ignoring terrorist acts, depending upon who commits the act.

My guess is that the Texas Governor or the Arizona Governor would step in and deploy their national guard units, before Obama does anything.

OK. Bells & whistles are going off now. If this is not a false flag, what is it? Anyone have a clue, suggestion, comment, anything at all?

**Mexico wants U.S. to stop gun smugglers
BY TRACI CARL • ASSOCIATED PRESS • March 1, 2009

MEXICO CITY -- Mexico blames Americans for arming the world's most powerful drug cartels, a complaint supported Friday by a U.S. government report that found nearly all of Mexico's escalating drug killings involved weapons from north of the border.

This situation is moving very fast. I agree with the Professor also. Maybe the dimwits in WDC are going to allow this Border War to jump start this up & coming Texas Bar-B-Q thing. Then the next step will be to turn the FEMA dogs loose, & declare martial law. FEMA has some really big hungry stomach muscles within the Shadow Gov't. If the SHTF, & FEMA is let out, they do not have to answer to anyone.

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OK. Bells & whistles are going off now. If this is not a false flag, what is it? Anyone have a clue, suggestion, comment, anything at all?

Yes, this is partly a false flag operation.
The first act is already being played out.
The Obama administration is using this situation to institute a complete ban on semi-automatic weapons.

abcnews.go.com...

Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Previous Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration

By JASON RYAN WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

The peasants can't revolt if they have no pitchforks.

did you see yesterday that ICE arrested a bunch of illegal immigrants in some store?


Napolitano complained that she never gave the order for that to happen...


ok so she wants the illegals to stay here then????? shes another empty suit in the obama administration, she sucked as governor of AZ never doing crap against illegal immigration, and shes just as useless now.

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Yes... and here is a slice of burned toast ...

My post did not seem to open any eyes or ears but it is powerfully relevant to this situation along the Border States.

Privacy Laws Breached On Weapon Permits In Tennessee

*Posted on 20 Feb 2009

Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...'

If you want to know the names of people in Tennessee who have permits to carry concealed weapons ... or the folks who contributed their money in support of California's ballot measure to ban gay marriage ... the answers are just a few keystrokes.
And that's too close for comfort, some privacy law experts say.
To some, it's all about the public's right to know. But for others, it's too much information. Transparency, they say, can lead to intimidation, harassment and even death threats.

More by Slicobacon:

Pair this story up with the one concerning the proposal to license all gun owners. Create a list and - there's your first step to gun confiscation. That bill (HR45) must not pass if Americans value their Bill of Rights and privacy

And:
Liberals seem to have lost their sense of focus on "responsibility" to core family values.

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*Now factor in the strategics of geography, topography, sociology, major transportation routes [E-W; N-S], etc.

*I can only hope that the State Governments of Texas, Mew Mexico, & Arizona can make some very serious decisions in the coming weeks. By that I mean Militarily speaking, as mentioned previously/above with the deployment of National Guard. (I refuse to play into the discussion of California for socio-politico reasons)

*Obama & the Liberals along with the Non-Tax paying Chicago Mob that he brought into WDC will not respond to the Border War. They are too spineless in my opinion.

*At this point I will conclude with one word:

*Responsibility.

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ok so she wants the illegals to stay here then????

I think that's a safe assumption. After all, ACORN will get them registered to vote Democratic, to return the favor. What the heck, more illegals that those of us who worked all our lives now have to pay for.

all hail the new Socialist fatherland:

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My post did not seem to open any eyes or ears but it is powerfully relevant to this situation along the Border States.

Well, it opened mine. As you can see from my post above, I believe Socialism is here, full blown. My guess is that a lot of gun owners will "lose" their guns in the next several months. "Gee, when I went to turn it in to the internal security blackshirts of Obama, it wasn't where I thought it was. I guess someone took it. I'll call you if I find it.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
[Well, it opened mine. As you can see from my post above, I believe Socialism is here, full blown. My guess is that a lot of gun owners will "lose" their guns in the next several months. "Gee, when I went to turn it in to the internal security blackshirts of Obama, it wasn't where I thought it was. I guess someone took it. I'll call you if I find it.

Say Prof, be sure to let the "Blackshirts" know that it was "stolen" so they can take you off their "wolf" list and put you under "sheep".
The more I think about it, what a great idea. You have to register for a handgun then just say it got stolen. No longer registered to you. I love it!

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I was only talking hypothetically, of course.
BTW, I see that there was a prison riot in Juarez today, and the press says that it was instigated by the drug lords.
I think they're in full control of Mexico now. There is no government in Mexico any more, other than the drug lords.

Prof,
I don't know if you missed this thread recently beeing only a page long, but the OP states an article from Canada. There are some other interesting viewpoints also.
Yeah, the fuse to this firecracker has definitely been lit.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I didn't see that thread, but it did see several articles regarding that. In fact, in one of them, they mentioned that the total number allied with the drug lords might number as high as 300,000!


[edit on 5-3-2009 by ProfEmeritus]

Update:
www.google.com...

US military chief to offer help to Mexico in violent drug war

WASHINGTON (AFP) — America's top military officer heads to Mexico this week to offer help to a government battling powerful drug cartels, amid alarm in Washington over escalating violence across the border.

With the death toll at 5,300 last year and Mexican cartels armed with automatic weapons and billions in cash, the crisis has become a full-blown national security concern for the United States.

Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was due in Mexico later this week as the United States signalled it was ready to step up military and other assistance to tackle the heavily armed drug rings ravaging the country's north.

"The cartels are retaliating," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told NBC on Sunday. "It clearly is a serious problem."

But he said Mexico has dropped its traditional reluctance to cultivate ties with the US military.

"I think we are beginning to be in a position to help the Mexicans more than we have in the past," Gates said. "Some of the old biases against cooperation between our militaries and so on, I think, are being satisfied."

The United States started sharing intelligence with Mexico in November and under a new program plans to provide helicopters, maritime surveillance aircraft and other equipment, Pentagon spokesman Commander Jeffrey Gordon said.

Well Prof it looks like the games begin. Let's see what the U.S.'s strategy is going to be. Do we take this on fully by ourselves or just be "Political Advisors" like we were in Central America.
A little off-topic story about our "Political Advisors"
Growing up in the military, we seem to always be transferred to the same bases as this other family. Both families having six kids and all of us about the same age we became pretty tight. One of their boys later became a SEALS team member. I remember watching "60 Minutes" or the like, on our situation in Central America and they were interviewing one of our "Advisors". He was in his camo garb with no name or insignia. He had a long blond mustage and his hat pulled down to place a shadow over his eyes. What got me was his demeanor and his "quote" " All we're doing down here is to teach people that don't know how to defend themselves,how to defend themselves". As he is like another brother to me, I know this guy! About six months later I was at his folk's house and he was there between assignments. Jokingly, I grabbed a napkin and asked for his his autograph. I told him I saw him on "60 Minutes" and he is famous. He looked at me and said "(name)I have not been or never will be in Costa Rica" and signed my napkin. So back to the subject at hand, it will be interesting to see how this is going to be played.

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Interesting story about your friend.
I believe that the role of US would be more than advisory, because if it were only going to be advisory, I don't think that they would have released that item to the press.

reply to post by ProfEmeritusIt is all about waiting until it gets bad enough to call martial law so Barry Soetoro can become dictator. Then he can take care of the terrorist Tea Party Conservatives and belligerents who doubt global warming and his eligibility. This will not matter anymore since there will no longer be a constitution.Wait! That's right, I forgot. They want to erase the borders with mexico and Canada. We no longer need any troops then, do we, except to kill Americans who disagree with the government? There will be no border to defend.

Now we have the culling of the population that globalists desire as the race war has begun with the 35 million gringo hating illegal aliens that are spread throughout the USA and tens of millions more streaming across the border like cockroaches that the are, trying to implement the plan of San Diego as the diversity loving libtards step forward with open arms to welcome the invaders only to have their necks sliced from ear to ear in the name of racial harmony.

I could keep going, but you get the idea of what they plan to do.