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Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
I just dont understand the 'problem' some of you are having here.
The OP hosts a PDF on ATS.....makes it available for everyone for free, and makes a thread pointing out the work and gives a brief synopsis....
WHATS so wrong with that??
[edit on 6-2-2009 by theRiverGoddess]
Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Surely this is a severe violation of T&C.
I don't even need to have access to the servers of this site to tell that this is a shameless plug of a literary piece. I haven't read it, nor will I. If this thread isn't removed and the OP docked a SERIOUS amount of his/her points, I may quit posting here.
[edit on 6-2-2009 by Jay-in-AR]
Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
If this thread isn't removed and the OP docked a SERIOUS amount of his/her points, I may quit posting here.
...
Eh, maybe it is just too late in the evening. When I read the first two posts of this thread, it SCREAMED to me of someone who has two names who created the second to plug his/her own work.
Not requiring money for the book, mind you, but asking for contributions.
I may be way off base here, but that is shameless.
Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Eh, maybe it is just too late in the evening. When I read the first two posts of this thread, it SCREAMED to me of someone who has two names who created the second to plug his/her own work.
Not requiring money for the book, mind you, but asking for contributions.
I may be way off base here, but that is shameless.
Originally posted by telemetry
I do appreciate you pointing the donation thing out though...
Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
But yes...you do geta S&F from me! Excellent effort! Excellent work!
Originally posted by Hanslune
Oh and I did look at the book, wonderfully impartical, lovely in being non-functional and suited well for a species other than Homo Sapien Sapien.
Originally posted by NatureBoy
Thanks for the upload, i hated it, but thanks.
To be honest, and i always am, i found the gender bias a little insulting and the style putridly mawkish while the faux-ideal society was a little unrealistic.
My main topic of study has been 'visions of utopia' for quiet some time so i gave your's a chance and read huge chunks of it,
alas i couldn't bring myself to consume it entirely but i think i got the point.
The technological utopia which you describe has been covered in quiet alot of sci-fi, the most well known of course 'Star Trek' which non-federation life is lived on the maxim that we're all catholic (not the religion but it's original meaning i.e. universal, a collective, etc) and everyone can have whatever they want supplied from the central pool because any form of personal development adds to the greater whole.
However many other tales point out the issues that may come with this approach, 'Soylent Green' shows an attempt at a tech utopia in which the population outgrows its bounds and the only protean source left is reprocessed people..
'Logans Run' shows an attempt at using technology to limit peoples maximum age,
'Texonherize' (i can't spell it sorry) is a Japanese work showing the possible issues involved in human-machine augmentation,
'1984' shows how the state uses technology to oppress people who disagree with 'the system'
while brave new worlds details the loss of #real# humanity in the attempt at reaching a tech utopia.
You might well think that none of these works have any bearing on your text but indeed they do, it might be nice for your lucky heroin to float her zen garden ship down the grand canyon and take in the sublime air what about my MASSIVE gunship?-
i was going to float around that canyon too and so were 2.4million other people,
although i'm sure my huge sub bass speakers are the biggest (78 thousand killowatt) i suspect others like loud driving beats too
So, in reality this massive beauty spot is a horrendous cram of offensive people,
just like every other inch of the earth, sky and solar system. So are you going to ban things you don't like,
such as the hardcore porn i've painted all over my gigantic battleship? Are you going to limit access to sections of the globe? How are transgressors and trespassers punished? How do you ensure people obey the rules?
hehe you think just because someone has video of me playing offensive loud music it will make me stop?
Think just because i have been filmed every day of my life i will stop wanting to resist?
you think that you can convince me to like zen nonsense (also can't you just call it west-coast-buddism not zen) and gold brocaded lavender popery?
haha "it was then in the corridors of MinZen as Winston felt the bullet enter from behind he realized, he truly loved Angel Fairy's"
What if i don't like your rules? hehe EVERYONE RUNS!
Also more to the point you don't really cover how we move from now, the complex system which is required to assure that the LIMITED wealth of the planet and humanitys LIMITED production potential are distributed in a way which allows the society to continues to function and thus humanity to continue progressing towards an eventual tech utopia, if indeed it's possible.
If we want to get to the point that everyone can have what they desire then we need SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE, this means we need to become far more honest with ourselves and far more pragmatic in out lives.
This means dropping nonsense psudo-science and logical fallacy from our mind, admitting how hard life is and how imperfect humans and the universe are and we need to be more open to science, learn to understand it -don't fear it, don't leave it to others, we all need to understand it or we're never getting anywhere good.
Originally posted by S1LV3R4D0
I wanted to drop you a line to say thank you for making that available for us to read.
It was a wondrous read and I will be passing it along to friends and family if you dont mind.