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Originally posted by Daniem
Israel is a professional terror state
There is a bloodbath being committed by Israel in Gaza these days, with blessings from the USA.
The constant and barbaric aerial attacks massacres the civilians, makes the lives of 1,6 million survivors a nightmare, and traumatises children for life.
Incredibly this isnt the worst part of this terrible situation. Worse is the legitimation of terrorism by the state, done by Israel, and willingly supported by their allies. The seriousnes in this case, is that future "terrorists" may use the same rhetoric the israeli authorities and their supporters are using now to legitimise attacks on civilians and innocents.
Israel states: "We dont mind the population of Gaza, we're only waring Hamas." By this they're implisitly stating that as long as one has an enemy and a political target, you can terrorise a civil population. How is this seperate from the arguments of al-Qaida and their likes?
Everyone who belongs to Hamas or symphasizes with Hamas, are according to Israel a legitimate target!
They wont settle with words, they follow up with action. Already on their first day of attack, saturday 27 december 2008, israeli F16-fighters bombed many police departments. Their targets were young men whos job in Gaza is to fight crime in society and uphold order. Because they are members of Hamas, or symphasize with them, they were brutaly murdered by methods that does not seperate between the GUILTY and the INNOCENT.
Well then... If this is the new logic to control the region, what will we say to new extremists who wants to use the same rhetoric to legitimize attacks on civilian israeli and american targets? What is our agrument for those who wish to define who has the right to live?
Self defence?
Its ok to retal those who send those homemade rockets to Israel, or those who participate in the shooting.. but to expand this to include EVERYONE who supports Hamas, and to punish the entire population is a serious development.
When USA calls it selv defence, it sounds much like hypocracy. It is obvious that there is one moral standard for Israel and USA, and another for everyone else.
Gaza is, after all, effectivly occupied. That Israel has retreated is a myth. Gaza is one big prison, where the people are exposed to inhuman conditions. Under these conditions friends of Israel (the occupier) says they can rightly defend themself, but the occupied cant.
Is this justice?
Terror?
When Palestine homemade rockets hits Israel they call it terrorism. The reason is that it may harm innocents. But then Israel answers with far more destruvtive and fearful weapons, aimed at one of the worlds most densely populated areas. ISNT that terrorism?
What makes israels attacks on religious buildings, universities, private homes, hospitals and medicine-storage NOT considered crimes against humanity? How long will Israel have immunity from the international conventions?
Terror state
The suffering the population of Gaza has to endure from a professional terrorstate, can not do anything but breed hate, extremism and lust for revenge with the population. How long will the world society quietly accept this evil circle?
[edit on 5-1-2009 by Daniem]
Originally posted by mattpryor
The difference between Israel and Hamas? When Hamas kills an Israeli civilian they see it as a victory. When Israel kills a civilian they view it as a failure.
Oh My God these anti-Israeli posts BORE me!
1. You are discussing attacks from MONTHS ago.
2. You IGNORE the random, senseless attacks HAMAS performs on Israel ( Let me save you the response..." Hamas is simply responding to Israeli aggression." )
3. Grow up. War is ugly. You attack you will get attacked. Sorry that you would like it if countries would simply kill equally but it doesn't work that way.
Originally posted by finemanm
It's a good thing that israel is not the monster that these terrorist sympathizers think it is because if israel was truely bent on "genocide" there would be no palastinians left.
The fact that Hamas still exists is proof that these threads are baseless hate mongering because we all know that if the IDF wanted to, there would be nothing left of Gaza.
Restraint is proof that you are full of it
Originally posted by ntech
Lets make this simple. What are their options?
1. Level the Gaza strip. Kill all the Gazans.
2. Give up. Get killed by the Gazans.
3. Maintain the status quo.
So, What's your choice?
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
Originally posted by ntech
Lets make this simple. What are their options?
1. Level the Gaza strip. Kill all the Gazans.
2. Give up. Get killed by the Gazans.
3. Maintain the status quo.
So, What's your choice?
I choose option 4.
4. Open up a genuine two way dialogue with genuine attempts to create a peace and remove all forms of imbalances between the two people. If option 4 fails try 4(b)
4(b) Repeat 4 until it works and both sides agree to treat each other as humans and both sides come to terms with each other beyond the divide of religion and race and prior negative events.
I dont see that ever happening though but thats the middle east for you.