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Did the IAF bomb a Gazan welding truck or a Hamas Grad transport?

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posted on Jan, 2 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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Did the IAF bomb a Gazan welding truck or a Hamas Grad transport?


www.haaretz.com

Just before midnight, on December 29, the Israel Defense Forces Spokesman's Office posted an urgent headline on its Web site: Truck packed with weapons attacked near Jabalya.

The subheadline went on to read: "At around 6 P.M., the Israel Air Force attacked a Hamas truck carrying dozens of Grad rockets."

According to the article, the rockets in the truck caused a secondary explosion, shooting pieces of weaponry in all directions. The rockets were being transferred, said the article, due to militants' fear that their present storehouse would be attacked by the IAF, as well as to be put to use for launching at Israel.

The article was accompanied by a video just over 2 minutes showing the IAF's perspective from the sky, until just a moment before the explosion. The video shows 15 white figures casually milling between two vehicles. Three long black objects appear between their hands and the white figures lay these objects down on what seems to be a truck. The second vehicle takes off at a certain point and suddenly an explosion sounds and flames cover the screen. An eyewitness said the explosion was caused by an overhead drone.

Human rights groups' investigations, however, present a different testimony altogether.

According to B'tselem and the Mezan center for human rights, the truck belongs to Ahmed Samur, 55, and is still standing, burnt, beside his workshop in the Jabaliya refugee camp. Next to it hang scorched oxygen balloons, a blade and cables. Nobody dares move the truck or the accompanying accoutrements for fear that the UAVs filming every detail from above will bomb whoever approaches.

"Everything is still there on the ground," said Samur on Thursday. "We only moved the dead."
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jan, 2 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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Remember that video from Youtube bandied about and said to show Hamas loading a truck with Grad rockets and blown up by the heroic Israeli airforce? Well some one decided to go there and have a look at the 'evidence'. It turns out they found many dead Palestinians and propane gas cylinders.

When you puncture a gas cylinder or knock the top off, it flies and arcs across the air just like in the Israeli cockpit videos showed. While common sense tells you that munitions and missiles explodes when bombed, we accepted the 'proof' provided by the Israelis.

Here's that video again;


uk.youtube.com...://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052258.html


www.haaretz.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 013131p://pm3152 by masonwatcher]



posted on Jan, 2 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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I'd read an article and watched the associated video about this earlier this morning. The video has one of the brothers giving a "first-hand" account of the situation which significantly contradicts the "story" put forth by the Israeli military officer interviewed.


www.youtube.com...
The Israeli military says it bombed a lorry which Hamas fighters were loading with rockets on Monday.

But an Israeli human rights group says civilians were killed as they tried to protect their goods.

Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel-Hamid talks to a Palestinian who says the vehicle was his and that it was being loaded with gas canisters by his family.




See and judge for yourself.

 



posted on Jan, 2 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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And the IDF spokesperson said that the operation was after an intelligence investigation of many months on your Youtube video. Are they incompetent or evil?



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Does this constitute an Adequate body of evidence for the prosecution of War Crimes? I would be interested to know, though it seems that the evidence in both the video and the scene of the attack indicate that this might well provide a complete body of evidence for the prosecution of a war crime.

Any information anyone?



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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No more incompetent or evil than Hamas who fires their rockets indescriminately at the Israeli CIVILIAN population. I think any questions anyone has regarding how evil Israel is, then they need look no further than Hamas and that can answer their questions as well.



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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I saw it earlier today also, its well covered in Al Jazeera too...

english.aljazeera.net...


B'Tselem questions Israeli account of attack

The Israeli military says it bombed a lorry which Hamas fighters were loading with rockets on Monday.

But an Israeli human rights group says civilians were killed as they tried to protect their goods.

Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel-Hamid talks to a Palestinian who says the vehicle was his and that it was being loaded with gas canisters by his family.


Was it a crime?

- Yes, possible mass murder; there is no weapons around, and by these evidence already shown, international investigation is needed, and intelligence officer in charge and pilot of the drone should be jailed for the time of criminal investigation, immediately.

- Oh, I forget, but USA will veto...



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher

Remember that video from Youtube bandied about and said to show Hamas loading a truck with Grad rockets and blown up by the heroic Israeli airforce? Well some one decided to go there and have a look at the 'evidence'. It turns out they found many dead Palestinians and propane gas cylinders.

When you puncture a gas cylinder or knock the top off, it flies and arcs across the air just like in the Israeli cockpit videos showed. While common sense tells you that munitions and missiles explodes when bombed, we accepted the 'proof' provided by the Israelis.

Here's that video again;


uk.youtube.com...://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052258.html


www.haaretz.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 013131p://pm3152 by masonwatcher]


If the video is correct then ya those were gas canisters. I saw a green one which normally green signifies it's a high pressure oxygen cylinder unless it's different for different countries but we were taught they were all color coded the same.

If the canister springs a large enough leak or the head of it is broken off it acts like a rocket and fully pressurized at 1800-2000 PSI can go through a brick wall with ease.

I think they got over excited and targeted the wrong area of course they will keep saying they were rockets. I mean look at Bush and his little posse touting the lines of WMD before the Iraq invasion.



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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We are so blessed not to be on the other ends of our guns. We are also dammed in one sense or another.


MBF

posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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I saw both the drone video and the report from the ground. The objects that were being loaded onto the truck were oxygen and acetylene cylinders. They could easily appear to be rockets from the air. Just an honest mistake by Israel in my opinion. But then again, they could be used in the building of rockets.



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher

Did the IAF bomb a Gazan welding truck or a Hamas Grad transport?


www.haaretz.com

Just before midnight, on December 29, the Israel Defense Forces Spokesman's Office posted an urgent headline on its Web site: Truck packed with weapons attacked near Jabalya.

The subheadline went on to read: "At around 6 P.M., the Israel Air Force attacked a Hamas truck carrying dozens of Grad rockets."

According to the article, the rockets in the truck caused a secondary explosion, shooting pieces of weaponry in all directions. The rockets were being transferred, said the article, due to militants' fear that their present storehouse would be attacked by the IAF, as well as to be put to use for launching at Israel.

The article was accompanied by a video just over 2 minutes showing the IAF's perspective from the sky, until just a moment before the explosion. The video shows 15 white figures casually milling between two vehicles. Three long black objects appear between their hands and the white figures lay these objects down on what seems to be a truck. The second vehicle takes off at a certain point and suddenly an explosion sounds and flames cover the screen. An eyewitness said the explosion was caused by an overhead drone.

Human rights groups' investigations, however, present a different testimony altogether.

According to B'tselem and the Mezan center for human rights, the truck belongs to Ahmed Samur, 55, and is still standing, burnt, beside his workshop in the Jabaliya refugee camp. Next to it hang scorched oxygen balloons, a blade and cables. Nobody dares move the truck or the accompanying accoutrements for fear that the UAVs filming every detail from above will bomb whoever approaches.

"Everything is still there on the ground," said Samur on Thursday. "We only moved the dead."
(visit the link for the full news article)



I nominate these stupid people for a Darwin award for doing something as stupid as to try to move what LOOKS like rockets during a war and getting themselves blown up.
what did they expect the israelis would do drop flowers.



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