Seized child porn videos 'worst ever seen' by AFP

reply to post by runetang

They didn't give him ANY credit for his military service..

that has to suck, working for a country for two decades and then getting locked up over kiddie porn.

He spends a good part of his life fighting for his country.
His country also contains children that need and must be protected.
If anyone should have gotten the book thrown at them full force it's this guy.
I hope they stripped him of every benefit he has and gave him a retro dishonorable discharge, etc.
This guy is worse than the average Joe for cripes sake!!!
If anyone knew better, it's him.
And you're crying for the freak?
You should be ashamed of yourself.


grr...

This is the failure of liberal thought regarding crime and (no) punishment.

The sad truth is that some people just need killing.

Whats even worse is once they are in prison they are segregated put in an area where they are less likely to be attacked,I say put them in GP,the guards will make sure that everyone knows why they are in there,let them get a hold of them,plenty of guys in stir with children

The actual crime comes when, once tried and convicted, no one even bothers to try an figure out who the kids are, where they are, and no one EVER seems to deal with trying to rescue them.

Why is that? No closure? Not enough possibility of getting a 'win' on the crime statistics?

Criminal is the fact that we rail and scream in disgust over what these twisted individuals do, but we seem not to devote even an ounce of effort into not letting it happen. Only catching them 'after the fact'.

Pathetic, that we feel vindicated with a "Let 'em burn!" and a jail sentence, meanwhile the child remains, an object in the exercise of 'justice', rather than the objective. There is something wrong with that equation.

For child molesters and propagators of abuse films, Guantanamo and water boarding - until we find the children - and bring them to safety. I want justice - not 'civic revenge'.

reply to post by traderjack


I think the case like the Master Seargant and the policeman are the key indicators as to 'why' this stuff continues. Just think of it, them behind the scenes with access to the authority and technology to divert or conceal information on perps and vics.

(thanks for sharing ) to expound on your personal example (where is the law and the excecution of THE LAW!!!! ANSWER: with the proscecutor......)

cont. to expound on what you said, I picked up the paper on a whim the other day. A teen, a male teen, in our neighboring city raped 70 times by his mom's boyfriend and sent to live the winter months int he back yard shed; before running away, being picked up and having the sheer luck that someone found out this information. The man, charged only with 4degree criminal MISTREATMENT. 4th degree!!!!! One count. and 3 counts (3!!!!!!) of THIRD degree child rape.

A relatives comment to negate the situation was this, "para* my nephew is "somewhat developmer tally delayed".. the man who did it said in response to masturbation lessons, "the boy had to learn it at home because the schools don't teach it"

Tacoma News Tribune Tuesday, December 9, 2008.

I called the reporter to find out where the boy was being cared for, to see if maybe he was just stuck back in with the surrounding network, such as his aunt that create the right environment for this to have happened, imo.


He said he didn't know but will add it to a later reporting. (this place is big on never following up with anything, and story lines just falling off the face of the world, imo-so I took this as a maybe there will be a second report *crosses fingers*)

But, as you see, a pedophile looking to perpetrate his crimes does so easily--and serves less time than if he had a photo. Sadly, because there is no income in it. Tisk tisk on the fed.

I'm happy to see news of these big busts. It gives me heart that big work is being done, and that's the only way safety inches forward.

There also is the down side though to the perverts translation of "Leave no child behind", I imagine. And with a big bust I hope there is a big race as well to find some of these kids. Also too, I hope that runaway investigators are top of their game with identification as to what could 'really' be the catalyst prompting a child to flee.

As for proscecutors. It seems to me, that if they prosecuted nearer the maximum and labeled their crimes for what they are, and did away with all of that favortism and negation, trades for intel in exchanged for reduced sentence, ect, risks to ongoing investigations yada yada. Well, it seems to me that we wouldn't have a fraction as much as a problem.

There are better ways...for instance, deplorable jailing conditions, or full sentences first--shorter sentences later on. I don't know how it works, but a slap on the wrist is telling of why so many are so brazen to do what they do and why organizations grow to the capacities that they do. The person relating human crimes at the level of drug crimes, military service awards...shakes head, I worry about you.

Firstly let me say I am not sticking up for paedophiles, I find it inherently sick and emotions I cant even form into words...

But is prsion going to do anything? Millions of people across the world will use child pronography, trying to prosecute them for something many apparently can not help... Is that not inprisonment for a mental ilness of sorts?

Perhaps....and this is a huge perhaps, and not something I would like at all..but perhaps an organisation should formed to make certain existing pieces of child pornography legal; preferrebly with permission of the abused people. And then Form the death penatly for any child pornography not specifically on this 1 website.

A terrible comromise indeed... but I'll say again... millions of people... Who are we to say they are simply sick individuals and not mentally ill. And you should not be imprisoned for a mental illness.

Please don't flame me for this, I don't like it myself, but life ain't pretty... sometimes we have to do things we don't like.

Well the bigger issue is internet censorship, on grounds of child porn... sounds like 9/11 for the ol' www. eh?

reply to post by StevenDye

I'm not saying you are sticking up for pedo's (they should fry on a chair in my opinion--but where then would we draw the line?); I'm just thinking that they can and do get the treatment they need and we need to see while they are rightfully and properly detained.

Feedback at all whatsoever as to what you feel should be done, other than 'they are sick they shouldn't go to jail' would be helpful. Somebody who punches a woman in the face likely gets a longer sentence. Anyone who commits a crime of violence or perversion is 'mentally ill' in my opinion, where would we draw the line on what constitutes and therefor IS mental illness.

IF they are not detained--what would you reccomend be done for them in the meantime--nothing, just let them run around (like *most* of them likely are now, unidentified for a failure of a system)? Examples please.

Maybe you are meaning you don't feel that they belong with hard core murderous types, or maybe you are saying they should not be detained at all. Again, could you offer some insights as to what you feel should be done? Counseling? And in the meantime? In your model should they go back to their jobs as policemen, daycare keepers, elementary school groundsmen.

What do you mean?




[edit on 11-12-2008 by HugmyRek]

Interesting topic. I have my own very young children, so I'm not immune to the subject.

I think that there needs to be a distinction between the people who WATCH the kiddy-porn and those who PARTICIPATE or MAKE the kiddy-porn.

The WATCHERS, those who never act on their urges, in some ways are voyeurs. Granted, they're probably twisted, but are they any different to someone who might get thrills from other obsessive types of videos? I wouldn't be surprised if some people get kicks from watching animals kill each other on Discovery Channel nature doco's. Other people might like watching some adult snuff films for kicks. There's plenty of sick types of pictures at some websites. I think there used to be one called rotten dot com that had all sorts of trashy pictures on it. In passing, we've probably all seen a handful of sick types of pictures and disgusting adult porn, etc... I can't stand the thought of certain porno 'steamer' videos, yet I've seen a couple of them. Don't even mention when ladies are filmed in a barnyard with horses... How many of you watched the video of the teenage girl being stoned to death in the Middle East? I did. It was sickening, but I still watched it once to see it. (It's an old thread in Breaking News, you can search for it, I won't provide the link here.)

Sure, the people who obsess over and watch the kiddy-porn need to be bashed and left bloodied and bruised. However, I'm concerned that someone who's essentially innocent, might have a couple of pictures emailed to him, store or lose them in a folder, forgets about them and then has to spend 20 years in jail when his computer is raided and there's a couple of old pictures dredged up.

I received a couple of (tasteful) naked pictures once of an early teen girl, maybe 13 or so, when somene sent them to me (without me knowing) in a private message. I deleted them straight away, cleared my cache, etc so there was no trace of them! Screw that, I am NOT interested! Should I spend 20 years in jail for receieving them in a private message on a (non-porno) chat forum that I visited? Hell no! I couldn't delete the images fast enough! I dare say that there's quiet a few of you who have also inadvertently received similar images yourselves. Sure, you might have had a look, then another look, but I bet you also deleted them as quick as you could. You have to be careful when you get your pitchforks and torches out, that you're hunting the right person who deserves the mob justice.

Now, the people who PARTICIPATE and MAKE the child porn... well, they should be put down. They're the ones who feed the voyeurs and destroy the lives of the children they abuse. They cross a line that defies human decency and there's bugger-all chance for redemption. Let their deity sort them out.

Every time I read about a kiddy-porno raid, it seems that the only ones getting caught are the WATCHERS and not the MAKERS. The real law enforcement efforts should go into finding WHO MAKES the videos. Raid them with live ammo, no need for tasers or handcuffs. Take along some body bags to clean up the mess.

Originally posted by TrainDispatcher
I don't mean to be rude by any means. I do love coming here for breaking news that fellow atsers put out....

but this is horrible...I personally hate seeing these kind of threads come up on (recent posts).
I have small kids and this isn't news....its just awful

I hope you understand....thanks, xxxxxxxx

[edit on 11-12-2008 by TrainDispatcher]

As a parent, you should really be aware of what is going on in the world - especially when it invovles children. THIS topic is a major MAJOR conspiracy (thus the recent threads) and this is a conspiracy site.

It is NOT easy to swallow. But fact is...this is reality and we should NOT be keeping this hidden. The more that is exposed then hopefully we can contain this horrible problem.

reply to post by tezzajw

The WATCHERS, those who never act on their urges, in some ways are voyeurs

?? How do you know the watchers never act on their urges ??

Now, the people who PARTICIPATE and MAKE the child porn...

THEY make IT because people want to watch it. Please tell me you see the connection and why watchers are JUST as bad as the makers?! Supply and demand. No demand = no money = no supply.

The real law enforcement efforts should go into finding WHO MAKES the videos.

Well, in order to find the makers, you have to catch the watchers too - who very well could be makers themselves. Many times watchers lead authorities to the makers. Its ALL connected. Its all disgusting. ALL involved.



[edit on 12/12/2008 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
?? How do you know the watchers never act on their urges ??

In that case, they're not WATCHERS, are they? They're PARTICIPATING or MAKING it. That's why I made the initial distinction!

THEY make IT because people want to watch it.

I suspect that it's not just a purely financial reason why these people MAKE what they do. There's more to it than dollars and cents.

Please tell me you see the connection and why watchers are JUST as bad as the makers?! Supply and demand. No demand = no money = no supply.

I don't necessarily always agree with this. As I made the distinction between people who only watch, to those who don't. I'm not trying to absolve the people who watch, as I already stated that they should be left bashed, bleeding and bruised.

Without people making the stuff, the people who want to watch it can only resort to drawing kiddy-cartoon-porn. That's still legal, right? No wait, there's another thread right about now which shows how STUPID the world is.

reply to post by HugmyRek


I am saying that the way we do things now doesn't work...clearly.

SO make a certain selection of child pornography, hopefully with permission, legal. Anyone who uses that site is not breaking any law.

That site is a government owned, once updated, then left alone website.

Any new child pornography, and users of it could then be punished far greater than now because they are clearly acting outside of the fact that they just can't help it. Those that genuinely do have some form of mental illness are able to satisfy their needs without any more children being harmed, those that go beyond it had their chance, now they pay fro it.

Once again, I don't like it...but they way we do it now clearly isn't working.

Originally posted by Maxmars
The actual crime comes when, once tried and convicted, no one even bothers to try an figure out who the kids are, where they are, and no one EVER seems to deal with trying to rescue them.

Why is that? No closure? Not enough possibility of getting a 'win' on the crime statistics?

Criminal is the fact that we rail and scream in disgust over what these twisted individuals do, but we seem not to devote even an ounce of effort into not letting it happen. Only catching them 'after the fact'.
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I agree with you.Noone seems to give a crap about the kids.And it angers me because as far as we know the poor little sods could be dead.One thing that always confuses me when these sick pedos are caught with there horrible porn and stuff,they don't seem to try find the kids or try find the perverts abusing them.I don't understand?Why?so basically no justice is done because those scumbags are still walking around the streets attacking kids.
I think pedos are the very worst type of people.
I think there worse than drug barrons and possibly even terriosts.