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SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 8— (AP)— Brig.
Gen. William Ord Ryan of the Fourth Interceptor
command said tonight that a large
number of unidentified planes approached the
Golden, Gate tonight, but were sighted and
driven back to sea.
Originally posted by Frank Warren
however, we now (and shortly thereafter) know that there weren't any enemy aircraft carriers off the coast of California.
Originally posted by Frank Warren
following General Ryan's example, we know that "they weren't army planes, they weren't navy planes, and you can be sure they weren't civilian planes..."
Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by Frank Warren
thank you Frank for the reply and sorry i changed my above post that was asking you about some clarification about the story. i did some reading about it and i have to admit this is one of the strangest stories i have ever heard of involving the Military and UFO's.
planes were heard but none spotted ? very strange.
no surprise that the Military would be in denial but what was the official explanation that dismissed the whole thing ?
if it was proven that they were not Japanese planes or our planes what excuse did they use ? or was it just brushed under the rug and forgotten about ?
Japanese airplanes or UFO's, either way there seems to be a coverup here.
As these and other forces took up their defensive positions, coastal communities suffered from an “invasion fever” which first showed itself with the calling of an alert in San Francisco on 8 December. In the afternoon of the 8th, rumors of an enemy carrier off the coast led to the closing of schools in Oakland. That evening, while residents of the Bay area were having dinner, radio broadcasting suddenly ceased, and this was followed by a blackout which lasted nearly three hours. in the absence of adequate preparations, sirens on police cars were used to warn the people, and self-appointed neighborhood wardens rushed from door to door to help enforce the blackout. Reports reaching Washington of an attack, on San Francisco were regarded as credible, but news dispatches soon characterized the affair as a test and announced that California had “caught its breath again.” The Army, however, insisted that radar stations had tracked airplanes approaching the coast from a distance 100 miles at sea. The continuity of the tracking convinced officers that the planes were hostile, and Lt. Gen. John L. DeWitt of the Western Defense Command strongly denounced those who treated the alert lightly. In the San Francisco News of 10 December he was quoted as follows: “Last night there were planes over this community. They were enemy planes! I mean Japanese planes! And they were tracked out to sea. You think it was a hoax? It is damned nonsense for sensible people to assume that the Army and Navy would practice such a hoax on San Francisco.”
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by Frank Warren
however, we now (and shortly thereafter) know that there weren't any enemy aircraft carriers off the coast of California.
Maybe not aircraft carriers, but Japanese submarine aircraft carriers were operating off the West Coast. Gen. Ryan seems very clear that these were planes, why assume they were something else? (Though admittedly, he may have called them planes because there was no other word to describe them in that era).
We also know the general activities of the "I" submarines and on the 8th of December (the day after Pearl Harbor) they were out looking for the aircraft carriers they missed at Pearl. True by the "end of the month" they would be parked off the west coast. This discounts the notion that the UFOs could could have been "Glen's" (allied code word for the Yokoska Y-14-Y1 carried by submarine carriers I-Class). Moreover, I would argue that Ryan was anything but "clear."
If these were alien craft, how were they driven off so easily? It seems our counter-measures would not have bothered them one bit.
Who said anything about "alien craft" and if that were the case, how can one presume that "our counter-measures would not have bothered them?"
Originally posted by Frank Warren
following General Ryan's example, we know that "they weren't army planes, they weren't navy planes, and you can be sure they weren't civilian planes..."
Could it be that you are misinterpreting General Ryan's meaning? I think when he says "they weren't army planes, they weren't navy planes" he means they were not planes belonging to the United States. I don't think he means to say they were not planes.
My interpretation is based on "several accounts" of this incident; he clearly states in several instances "what they were not" instigated by reporters questions "if they were Japanese bombers." Of course we know that they "weren't Japanese anything," which leaves them as "U.nidentified F.lying O.bjects. I don't believe he was saying that they weren't planes either; that's the obvious, natural assumption. History is filled with reports of aerial phenomenon associated with "known" man-made objects using the vernacular of the day, e.g., airships, bollides , flaming chariots, flying shields etc.
Cheers,
Frank
Originally posted by ziggystar60
Lt. Gen. John L. DeWitt of the Western Defense Command insisted that the planes were Japanese. This is from an article called "THE ARMY AIR FORCES IN WORLD WAR II; DEFENSE OF THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE":
Originally posted by Dutty_Rag
Sorry to the OP but I'm just getting sick of being drawn into discussions on subjects like this that belong on 'Ripley's World Of The Strange' or Arthur C Clarke, and no where else!