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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by redhatty
Media spin? Your entire argument is based off of blogs and frivolous lawsuits and you think I need to worry about media spin?
Look, I know you want me to be stupid, but I have a memory long enough to know that you're taking me in circles. I saw that post, and I asked you why, if she saw the BC and it was not from Hawaii, she would call the accusations "ridiculous".
You then said, "let me see that quote, I don't believe she said that". Then I provided it.
So, you can dance around it all you want but, here are some questions I have for you:
-Unless she is a liar, why would say that it is "ridiculous"?
-Why would the state of Hawaii hold his birth certificate unless he was born there?
-Can you provide documentation to back up that states hold birth certificates of people who were not born there?
"This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy."
So, in what likely will be a vain attempt to halt the inquiries, Fukino yesterday issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital statistics personally inspected Obama's birth certificate and found it to be valid.
Will this be enough to quiet the doubters?
"I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Do you ever admit you are wrong?
Originally posted by redhatty
Out of state and/or country births could still be registered in Hawaii and a Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii would be issued
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii.
Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country. [
In fact you can even call the DOH office and they will confirm this (808) 586-4533.
How to Apply for an Amendment
An amendment may be made upon application, but only with the submission of required documentary evidence in support of the amendment. The evidentiary requirements can differ, depending on whether the amendment is court-ordered or, if requested by an individual, whether it materially affects the validity and integrity of the record.
...
When information originally entered on a certificate is amended:, 1) a line is drawn through the incorrect entry and the correct data is inserted, 2) what information was amended and on what authority, the date of the action and the initials of the reviewer are entered on the certificate, and 3) the notation "altered" is written or stamped on the certificate.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I got through. She said they don't REGISTER births from out of state. Period.
REGISTER.
Look at your info carefully, redhatty. For one thing, Hawaii RS 338-17.8 is a 1982 law. Obama wasn't born at that time. What they said about foreign country births is NOT that they REGISTER them, but they will amend them (with supporting evidence of the change) and FILE them.
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by redhatty
I think it is you that is mixing me up with others. I have not been arguing with you about a multitude of things that you have been arguing with me about. All I have been trying to convey is that this lady is not lying, and that she clearly did all of this and made this statements to quiet down all of the unsubstantiated claims.
Originally posted by redhatty
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I got through. She said they don't REGISTER births from out of state. Period.
REGISTER.
Look at your info carefully, redhatty. For one thing, Hawaii RS 338-17.8 is a 1982 law. Obama wasn't born at that time. What they said about foreign country births is NOT that they REGISTER them, but they will amend them (with supporting evidence of the change) and FILE them.
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I realize that TODAY they do not register births from out of state, but in 1961 when they were still a territory, they did. They also registered foreign births back then and issued a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth.
After all this time, we seem to be going backwards. Today's laws are not the applicable laws, the laws in effect in 1961 ARE the applicable laws.