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My thread Top Secret work carried out by myself in the late 80's!!! Is not a Hoax.

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posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 12:09 AM
reply to post by ufoblackmesa

Sir, you are making statements that are not going to help you one bit in making us believe you. One statement, "Well no one can reveal anything as no one knows exactly how they are built.", but yet, you are going to tell us how we can build one? Ummm, aren`t you contradicting your own statement when you say this? I have read many stories in my day, and that is what I find this to be, just a story. Another statement you made, "Besides, aliens really don’t exist. Our mission at PALADIME was to cover up our black projects and make people believe that we were working on sinister projects with extra terrestrials. It was all about creating a belief system while at the same time if ever ET were to make contact then slowly the world could come around to such a notion that we are not alone." Wow, talk about tripping yourself up. Why would someone say that "aliens don`t exist", then say " if ever ET were to make contact then slowly the world could come around to such a notion that we are not alone."?
You say, "It was all about creating a belief system". I think this is all about creating a BS system alright, and you seem to be pretty good at it. It makes me wonder who it is, or was that you work/worked for, or should I say, are working for. You set off some pretty good alarms within me after reading what you wrote, and they are not good alarms. You seem to know a whole lot for a person who only knows what took place in your own work area. Isn`t that how it works? You are to only know just what little bit your people are working on, and no more then that? This is what makes what you are telling seem like nothing more then your own imagination. You didn`t think your story through enough before you typed it out, it`s just to full of holes.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by FiatLux]

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 12:22 AM
reply to post by ufoblackmesa

We were not always picked for our backgrounds but for our willingness to keep secrets.

Well, I guess they got that one wrong.
What did you have to do, say "I can keep a secret", and then they said 'OK you're hired"?

I'm sorry, but this is laughable. I'm glad at least it's in skunk works, because it sure does smell funny to me, but what the heck, after posting about the economic crisis, two hot wars, world-wide panic, Israel vs. Iran, I needed a few good laughs. Thanks for the science fiction/comedy.

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 02:30 AM

Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by ufoblackmesa

One of my problems is logistics. You state the base is underground, but 65,000 personnel work there. How do all of them get in and out of the base? What about the food, energy, and other essentials needed for that many people/
Can you tell us where it is near so we can look for trucks, planes and other ways to deliver all the items it needs? Also, burning all the clothes does present other challenges as brought up by the other OP.
You also state it is impossible for papers such as Majestic 12 to be smuggled out of your base, but most of the important papers would be held at the Pentagon itself. (I am not stating the papers are true, but the main storage area of all the important classified papers would be in the Pentagon or other important military installations. Your boss would be a three or four star flag officer in charge, and they would likely be at the Pentagon itself.)
I am a veteran and know a little about the logistics on running a base. This story, like many others like it, screams B.S.

Actually kid flash , getting in and out of the base is not so hard to understand , Underground railways 'that switch' at secret locations can carry # loads of materiel and personel.Dumby office buildings with hidden lifts , dumby buisnesses fronts with multiple entrances in a large town . No, thats not a logistical problem at all. The suits are usually one piece paper /fibre just like the disposable ones that boat builders use when handling toxic hazardous materials.

Its not like your average overground base dude .

Im waiting for this guy to pull his finger out and describe a magnet runner . God knows it pretty bloody simple really . Its the power output and modualtion of the field strength thats tricky...

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 07:01 AM

Originally posted by ufoblackmesa
I am working on the write up on flying saucer tech details, you will get full details on how to build them. Please be patient!

Chop chop

Mod Note: One Line Post – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by elevatedone]

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 07:24 AM
I don't trust anything you describe.....clearly your powers of perception are murky at best.

Otherwise, you would have picked up on the smirks, giggles, and gentle corrections every time you used the word "crafts" for the plural form of "craft", in reports, documents, and/or other texts you created.

Yes, it's a small detail by itself, but it becomes huge when evaluating your "story." How could anyone work with engineers and physicists at this advanced level and continue to mangle that particular noun?

Fiji, huh? Well I suppose there's nothing keeping some private organization from monitoring the air, water, and thermal emissions of this island now, is there?

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 07:46 AM
The base itself isn't the most important thing, I'm interested in the craft that you said you worked on. That's why I said give us the technical details and tell us everything you know about them. You should have started off with that first. If anyone else wants to claim that they worked at a DUMB, then they should start off with the craft, then go onto the base itself.

Your story was very big on claims and very short on detail. That's a red flag by itself, never mind all the other inconsistancies that have been pointed out so far.

I suppose members of the CIA, MI6 and COINTELPRO have accounts on Above Top Secret and they spread disinfo. Are you one of them? The disinformation agents do that all the time. If you are one stop trying, there are too many people here that will go through your story with a fine tooth comb and comment on every piece of detail in your story. If your a hoaxer seeking attention, go watch some porn instead of wasting everyone's time here.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by MayorOfCydonia]

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 01:47 PM
reply to post by reconpilot

You would have to have an extensive underground railway to support this. Again, tracks need maintenance as rails and ties need replacements, and the rail cars and locomotives need work too. Where is the depot that is large enough to do this?
What you are suggesting is now they need thousands of workers to maintain a transportation system, on top of the 65,000 people assigned to work at the base.
(Watch Extreme Trains on the History Channel to see all the work to keep the trains going. It would surprise you how much work is involved.)

The OP has already started the major signs of a hoaxer: Stalling.
I also say give the person a chance to tell their story, but this person is getting more rope to make a noose and is now looking for a tall tree.

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 06:27 PM
reply to post by MayorOfCydonia

you have my vote Mr Mayor
this is getting old pretty quickly its like a bad epasode of fringe


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[edit on 8-12-2008 by moonpie]

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 06:48 PM

Originally posted by ufoblackmesa
I am working on the write up on flying saucer tech details, you will get full details on how to build them. Please be patient!

For the moment I will keep my personal opinion out of the topic. But I have one question.

Why wouldn't you just wait until you have finished the write up on flying saucers before creating the thread. You are just setting yourself up for criticism with this "bit by bit" strategy. Are you trying to create suspense?

[edit on 8-12-2008 by centrifugal]

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 07:39 PM
reply to post by ufoblackmesa

I would just like to chime in with some nuggets I observed from reading just the first page of your post. First, I think you are a fraud. The fact that you say you worked in some top secret base called Paladime or whatever, and that the security checks upon leaving would preclude the Majic documents from being genuine because you state the levels of checks in place were way too thorough for something like that to be smuggled out.

Security back in the early days was not nearly so thorough. I think the time discrepancy between 1980's-1990's vs 1940's-1970's which most of the documents date from, as far as security is concerned are two totally different animals.

Are the MJ-12 docs a hoax?...I really don't know, but it doesn't mean someone really high up who felt this needed to be divulged couldn't have done so.

No I think if anything, you are one of those disbelievers seeking attention and a security blanket, or perhaps even a paid dis-info agent.

I know we have advanced greatly in our technology, but nothing like what the "aliens" have. And I saw my first UFO way back in the early 70's, way before we could even begin to understand how the crafts flew.

No, the real hoaxer is you, and I'm not gonna buy your silly whistle blower story. So I'm blowing my BS whistle on you.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by TH3ON3]

[edit on 8-12-2008 by TH3ON3]

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 07:57 PM
Im all for flying saucers and technical specifications and schematics/diagrams and steps to build one...

...but lets take a look at something for a moment.

It seems to me like this is a lure and bait and wait game. A lil bit of this, a lil bit of that, gather the flock together, watch em drool with anticipation, get a good laugh and sit back and see who takes the bait or who comes back with "either poop or get off the head".

Just so you are aware, not everyone here at the ATS forums are just your plain ol everyday joe off the street. Some of us, are very well versed in physics and engineering. I just say that so that if you happen to post some far out of the way concept or spec on something, that those of us who are apt in physics and engineering will catch it right off.

Oh and please dont show us something that is easily found through several link searches in google, there are quite a few websites out there that also describe, and in detail, plans and specifications on building UFO's. So hopefully you got something that is truely unique, original and doesnt come back as duplicated, copy n paste jobs from other sites.

Google is our friend, in both research..and verifying..and validating.

I would suggest to everyone that you simply sit back, smoke em if you got em, have a cup o joe, roast up some marshmallows, and relax and just wait and see what turns up next.


posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 08:54 PM
Just to add in some questions...

1. What is the name of the medication(s) you take?

2. Why do you want or need us to help sort out details or research? Your knowledge of the subject should be far beyond anything we know. You said that the crafts don't work like people think they would (I'm paraphrasing) so why would any of our knowledge help if what we knew didn't apply?

3. Military or civilian? Rank or pay grade?

4. Job titles, experience, and education prior to working for PALADIME?

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 09:20 PM

Originally posted by ufoblackmesa

Originally posted by atrofi

So, no one knows where this technology comes from?
I did not get that part...

We know it did not come from the Russians, I have a belief it came from ancient civilizations. This is the notion I felt from the documents I read. But at the same time I was not actually given an answer when asked about this. I am sure there is still things that were not told to me in RED.

Your story is so full of holes. Consider this from your original post:

My job was to advise research and assign teams to investigate upon foreign technology. We were reverse engineering crafts of Russian and Japanese origin. These were experimental that had either crashed in our air space or we had shot down. I did not always know where the tech we were working on came from. It's was on a need to know basis. I can tell you this. I know how these crafts operate and the means to how they are built are radically different from our understanding. During the cold war the Russians were way ahead of their time more so than we believed.

So, which storyline do you wish to develop? You clearly state in your orignal post that you were working with Russian Technology.

Why change your storyline to alien technology now?
Your first post stated:

As far as I know, well at least from what I have been briefed on there has never been a extra terrestrial presence on earth and we have never had contact with them.

Kinda hard to work on alien technology if they've never had a presence on earth.

Do you see now why so many of us have a hard time with your story?

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:48 PM
If it smells like a hoax, walks like a hoax, swims like a hoax, then
That's my vote. I'm off this thread.

ATS- Deny Ignorance. You've had your day in court.

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 02:40 AM
reply to post by ufoblackmesa

after reading both of your threads, i think that your story is as credible as any other here on ats.

others may not agree...

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 06:32 AM
reply to post by Parabol

some good questions parabol but dont hold your breath on getting an answer he has been online here for severial hours both today and yesterday without posting anything

oops sorry parabol looks like i stole your avatar i will change mine
great minds think alike

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 06:52 AM
reply to post by ufoblackmesa

paladime comes up in google as being a WORLD OF WARCRAFT website. care to explain this?

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 07:43 AM
reply to post by jimmyx

Well, I'm not sure, as I've only played Warcraft for about a year, but I think it might be a misspelling of the class 'Paladin'. But I could be wrong.

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 09:46 AM
Well great... now you guys have done it... you ran him off.

Now Ill never be able to build that damn saucer! I have searched high and low..scowered the net for a schematic or "do it yourself" instruction pamphlet.. and nadda. So a guy comes in here, willing to spill the beans and you descend on him like a pack of hyenas.. at least let these people post the "good stuff" before we debunk it SHEESH!

Ah well... Im sure if we just wait about two or three hours another one will come along...

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 10:27 PM
... And Black Mesa is the name of the secret underground research base in the game Halflife, (did I just date myself?). Anyway, I smell a skunk.

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