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Mars NASA Cover-Up

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posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 09:04 PM
reply to post by FosterVS

FosterVS when people bring up Hoagland's crap just refer them to this:

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 10:46 PM

Originally posted by NavalFC
reply to post by FosterVS

FosterVS when people bring up Hoagland's crap just refer them to this:

You keep bringing up bad astronomy. That website was debunked 3 times last thread. Please enlighten with something new. I at least like to hear everyone's opinoin.

What about the cosmic level in above top secret or NRO. I think this might have something to do with Mars and Extra-Terrestrial influence. What if what crashed in Roswell came from Mars.

posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 10:54 PM
ROFLMAO!!! To rely on, all started by ONE single individual who is no different from any other enthusiastic independant researcher who used to work for No American Space Access, is a best wish hopefully will work type of reliance.

No Anomaly Seen Alright has a very long track record of not telling the truth, as testified by astronauts, both recent and from the Apollo era, former employees, ex CIA, DOD and other government and military personel (Disclosure

But here is just my little list of monikers in case the old Never A Straight Answer is too old for anyone and needs some new refreshers.

Get ready, its a long list!

Nasty Anomaly Scene Airbrush
Nasty Anomaly Scene Airbrushers
Neatly Aquired Secret Anomalies
Never A Straight Answer
Never Acknowledge Something Absolute
Never Admits Something Anomalous
Never Any Sense Alright.
Never Any Sensible Answer
Never Any Serious Accountability
Never Any Serious Attention
Never Any Serious Attitude
Never Any Social Advancement
Never Anything Seriously Accepted
Never Anything Seriously Admitted
Never Another Significant Achievement
Never Another Step Ahead
Never Acknowledge Scams Agency
New Age Scientific Abomination
New Anomaly Secretly Aquired.
New Anomaly Shrouded Abundantly
Nice Acknowledgements Secretly Admired
Newly Aquired Secret Anomaly
Nice Analysis Seems Absent
Nice And Senseless Answers
No Actual Scientific Analysis
No Actual Sensor Aquisition
No Actual Sighting Aquired
No Actual Signal Aquired
No Admittance Sure Acceptable
No Admiration Since Adam
No Adult Supervision Available
No American Sense Alright
No American Sense Anyway
No American Social Advancement
No American Space Access
No Anomalies Seems Attractive
No Anomalous Samples Acknowledged
No Anomalous Snapshots Aired
No Anomaly Samples Acknowledged
No Anomaly Seen Admitted
No Anomaly Seen Anyway
No Answer Same Answer
No Answer Seems Acceptable
No Answer Seems Alright
No Anomaly So Ahaha
No Answer So Ahaha
No Answer Sounds Acceptable
No Attributable Signficance Always
Nonsense Abundancy Scam Agency
Non Affirming Sidetracked Analysis
Not A Single Admiration
Not All Seen Anyway
Not Any Sensible Accomplishment
Not Any Single Admittance
Not Always Straight Anyway
Not Anybody Says Anything
Not Anything Seen Alright
Not Anything Succeeded Always
Nothing About Space Admitted
Nothing Admitted So Ahaha
Nothing Anyway So Ahaha
Nothing At Scientific Achievement
Now A Serious Analysis
Now Acting Shockingly Asinine
Now Acting Shockingly Astonished
Now Acting Stupidly Asinine
Now Acting Stupidly Astonished
Now Acting Surprisingly Asinine
Now Acting Surprisingly Astonished
Now Another Sacred Analogy
Now Another Senseless Acquistion
Now Another Silly Analysis
Now Another Silly Answer
Now Another Silly Avenue
Now Another Step Almost
Now Another Stupid Analysis

Feel free to take your pick. ANY one of them tells the truth.

And Ive got plenty more if that isnt enough!!


posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 04:53 AM
reply to post by RFBurns

I dont rely on it, there are several sources but bad astronomy has compiled them all into a easy to read database.

Instead of your NASA ad homenems,why dont you go through the ba astronomy page and debunk their arguments here on ATS?

RF burns, be my polar opposite. Go balls to the wall, and do it. Take Badastronomy's information and pwn it right here..

but you wont. Because you CANT/ So you resort to monikers about NASA.

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 10:12 AM
reply to post by NavalFC

Even though I absolutely detest NASA, I also equally despise Hoagland and his crap.

Just to show you NavalFC how much of a skeptic I am myself, check out this link of a mathematics professor's analysis of Hoagland's Mars BS, he even challenges him to an intelligent debate whereas Hoagland rejects several times.

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 01:08 PM
RCH definately does not have it all right. But much of his research, some of which span over 20 years, have been proven to be right. Such as the ocean below the ice surface on Europa, the abundant frozen permafrost layers found by Odyssey on Mars, and currently being examined more closely by the Phoenix probe.

Oh as to the "face" issue. Well that is still out for heavy debate. It was proven many times over, that the first round images aquired by MOC/MGS were deliberately altered, and even ol Malin released later revised images that ended up being from the same datasets but clearly did not have the flatness or "catbox" crap as the first one did. Shortly after that, and after hundreds of thousands of letters to congress and NASA, Malin released about 95 thousand more images that were tucked away in his "drawer of amazing discoveries" and all are currently up at the MSSS website. And tons of them clearly show unusual things that are not just simple dirt and rocks.

Later ASU, the folks that handled the THEMIS instrument onboard Odyssey, began taking IR images of various areas on Mars, including Cydonia. On July 25th 2002, a particular daytime, multiband IR spectrum image was aquired directly from the ASU THEMIS website and processed by several independant researchers, under the direction of one ASU THEMIS team specialist...back then known as "BAMF".

This multiband IR spectrum image clearly showed some strange things underneath the frozen permafrost in the Cydonia area. RCH refers to it as "The City". Article can be found HERE.

What is even more ironic, is that after the selected few who got the download on July 25th, 2002, ASU, or someone at ASU, swapped the image to a very noisy, junk filled version that contains far less actual data than the first image aquired by the selected individuals. I was fortunate to also get this "leaked", real data image on that evening of July 25th 2002 and still have it. Everyone who had this "leaked" real data image had them analyzed and it was found that the headers of the file, which are at the tail end of the file, not the front, indicates that the image was produced by an old UNIX system and even has data in the headers that verify the image came from a government mainframe.

The two different versions of the processed IR multiband spectrum strips can be found HERE.

Take note that the processing was done by an individual who at that time, and currently still does image processing for NASA as an independant, volunteer image processor.

(Man I remember all this happening as if it was yesterday!)

When RCH went on the Coast2Coast radio show with Art Bell in August 2002, the evidence was presented to the public along with the images. Between July 25th 2002 and August 29, 2002, anyone and everyone associated with this investigation, the old TEM forum, Anomalies Network, even my online radio station, were subject to the heaviest ridicule, internet DOS attacks, countless email and letter threats, and one person who did the final processing of the images that are shown at the EM website, was called a "liar" by the very person who headed the ASU THEMIS team who had hand picked several individuals to aquire this "leaked" real data. However, this person.."BAMF", refused to go on air with Art Bell and RCH that night to speak his case and prove his "liar" claim. Basically chickend out and stayed hidden behind their pc and keyboard at the EM chat room that night.

It should also be noted, that "BAMF" had spent the previous 4 months, day in and day out, at the TEM forum and chat room, during which the careful selection of who would get this image would be selected. During that time, "BAMF" would spend hours in private chat sessions, and even in the public chat room and forum, giving lessons on how to examine and process IR multiband spectrum image strips.

The altered data image was also processed using the same procedures on it as was the leaked real data image, and there were definate differences between the two. The altered data image had so much noise and garbage in it compared to the real data image it is very easy to see these differences, as it is easy to see the result of such manipulation of the raw data after it has been changed.

Now before we get the broken record effect in here and every other skepitc saying its all fake, well how do any of you explain why the Russian probe "Phobos2", launched back in 1989, took pictures of an area with an early version of an IR multiband spectrum camera and captured the same buried structure effect as the Odyssey IR image?!!!

Russian probe "Phobos 2" thermal IR image taken in 1989.

Another one to examine, taken by the same spacecraft "Phobos 2".

Funny how two different spacecraft, two completely different missions, two different space agencies, two different nations, two different year periods, would get the same kind of data!!

As Art Bell said on his program on August 29, 2002.."I wonder who bamfed the Russians?!"

Article to above images can be found HERE.

I remember all this very well because I was a moderator/admin for the TEM forum and chat room, and also ran the online radio station "" and was also a moderator/admin for the forum at Anomalies Network. And I can testify and have records, including chat room logs, forum logs, audio archives of every single bit of these events during that period. I never throw away anything valuable.

Shortly after all the fiasco and 11th hour attempts by debunkers and all the DOS attacks on 3 different websites, TEM moved their forum to its current host, where it has remained safe ever since. Anomalies also went through changes and even lost a considerable number of members over this controversy. changed hosts as well and became ZeroPointRadio, currently on air now at the link in my signature.

Often I run the audio archives from this event, so maybe once in a while you might catch it. The site also shows pictures and images of the screen captured chat room logs and forum logs at various points during the programs.

My entire point here, is that NASA has covered up so much since the early days of them sending out probes to the Moon and Mars before and during the Gemini and Apollo programs. Then suddenly, like hitting a 20 foot thick cement wall, the entire space program stops, is stripped down to next to nothing, and from that point, NASA has kept space and its secrets from the public in a very elaborate fashion, up to and including using hired help from the outside, to actively debunk and discredit research and authors of the subject, some of which currently post here at ATS. I used to be one of these hired hands and I know their tactics, their tricks, their approach and their patterns. It is abundant at this forum, particularly here in the Alien/UFO section, tho some of them wander off into the other various sections dealing with technology or other space related forums.

If one does the research, which it is abundant and available to anyone who wishes to find out the truth, anyone can clearly see that since the early days of NASA after WWII, that there has been an elaborate and secrative effort by members of the Project Paperclip, CIA, DOD and military to cover up what is really going on out there in space, and what IS currently on the Moon and Mars.

It doesnt take any huge nuclear science degree or a simple slide rule to see the evidence and the plot. One just has to take the time to go through the tons of research and evidence to see for themselves.


edited to comply with img link rule. thanks for the bump FC!!!

[edit on 8-12-2008 by RFBurns]

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:39 PM
reply to post by RFBurns

Niether of those 2 pictures show any sort of buried intelligent civilizational buildings or structures, as far as your insistance that NASA is only trying to cover up what goes on in space, bullhocky, I have sited examples of NASA breaking news that would seem to suggest at one time or another that Mars had some sort of primitive life on it.

accusing NASA of a cover up i the only ammo many UFO porponents have when scientific data doesnt agreee with their beliefs. It is the exact same thing creatonists do. if you cant beat the science, question the scientists.

posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 11:41 PM
reply to post by RFBurns

and no, there is no debate on the face. It isnt a face. The only place debates exist are places like these ut in the scientific community there is NO DEBATE. Higher resolution photos of the area have revealed that it is NOT a face.

Also, another thing, IR isnt an X-ray, so to say that somehow IR photos reveal underground structures is ludicrous.

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 07:23 AM

Originally posted by NavalFC
reply to post by RFBurns

accusing NASA of a cover up i the only ammo many UFO porponents have when scientific data doesnt agreee with their beliefs.

It takes far more then words to kill a spirit, my friend.

Table 1, below, lists all Viking Orbiter images of the "face," in order of decreasing resolution. Following the table are the images acquired at resolutions better than 400 meters/pixel. The icons show the "face" as seen in the raw data, but contrast enhanced for visibility. The actual images have not been processed other than conversion to GIF format. As a reminder, each raw Viking Orbiter image is 1204 samples wide by 1056 lines high.

Table 1: List of Viking Orbiter Images of the "Face on Mars"


*070A13 43 m 753A06 588 m
*035A72 47 m 753A03 596 m
*561A25 163 m 717A04 723 m
*673B56 226 m 771A94 735 m
673B54 226 m 257S41 780 m
*753A34 233 m 220S38 808 m
753A33 233 m 257S69 821 m
753A05 578 m 220S37 863 m
859A05 582 m 590A24 889 m

You could find that here

Here are some pics to mention....

GIF Image 1

GIF Image 2

GIF Image 3

MPEG of 360 Rotation

They point out that 40.868 equals arctan (e / pi); alternatively, one of the advocates notes that the ratio of the surface area of a tetrahedron to its circumscribing sphere is 2.72069 (e = 2.71828), which, if substituted for e in the above arctan equation gives 40.893 degrees, which is both within the physical perimeter of the "Pyramid" and within the above stated precision. Other mathematical relationships abound. The advocates of this view argue that "no scientific study of these features has been conducted under NASA auspices" and that NASA and the conservative science community are conspiring to keep the "real" story from the American public.

Sometime I just dont even have to type

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Solo954]

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 07:26 AM
reply to post by Solo954

What? one none of the pics in your URL was very high resolution.
Higher resoution photos exist, but strange you dont cite those. Why? because they clearly show that the "Mars Face" is not a Face at all.

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 07:33 AM
reply to post by NavalFC


You prove me wrong everytime you reply. It's freaking amazing man! It's almost like you have super powers you can read into a word, 3 links deep. It's almost like your a super-hero, do those exists?

BTW, you should really check out those pics. There amazing

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Solo954]

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 07:36 AM
reply to post by Solo954

I did check your pics out. Didnt you read in the reply when I said the URL of the photos you posted were ALSO low-res photos?

as far as disproving you? No its not amazing..its a matter of looking at ACTUAL EVIDENCE for a change.

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 07:38 AM
reply to post by NavalFC

You caught up to me in points so fast. Congratulations

I decided to edit because that was mean.

BTW you pointed out the same evidence I did, and maybe... someone else. You should read more often

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Solo954]

posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 01:28 PM

Originally posted by NavalFC
reply to post by FosterVS

FosterVS when people bring up Hoagland's crap just refer them to this:

That is one of many. Someone ripped his stupid hyperdimensional math BS to shreds in another one.

One I love was this documentary with Zahi Hawass, opening some tomb (can't remember the name, will have find it again for a laugh). Hoagland was on there, wearing some kind of stupid headphone/mic gear, claiming basically he found helicopters and UFO's in Egyptian hieroglyphics. What a f***nut...

posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 05:55 PM
a reply to: NavalFC

Please do some more research. NASA thugs have been blurring photos, hiding things in plain sight. they are masters at misdirection and with all the anomalies around Gale crater. The is way too much to blame swamp gas and anything else you want to bury your head in....Things aren't as they appear......
keep looking

posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 05:58 PM
a reply to: RFBurns

Love the List!!!
Any will do...... but it is so sad....the only thing being blurred is the truth

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