posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 02:05 PM
Another thread in which both sides are right and everyone takes sides.
One day maybe Everyone will see the truth and realize that's how they keep us divided.
The Cops are people, constrained for Fear of their lives... They Can be sued, loose their lively hoods etc, etc... Over a situation where they Should
Not be Held LIABLE then given the means to control the situation because they are LIABLE
But the Cause isn't the cops, it's those above that allow these rules to divide us...
same litigating SCUM who made divorce profitable, babies un profitable, the workplace a robotic nightmare to be in and the schools prisons
For the Record the Person one person got this 90% right
DON'T Call the Cops... or DO but do it After you have taken action IF needed to cover your arse in regards to the fact that NOT calling at all could
be construed as a crime.
#1 They should have jumped right in the water to have the best chance... They Effed Up!!! Water is cold, best time to jump in would be IMMEADIATELY,
shortest distance to rescue, Father would have had the most Energy prior to hypothermia to not be dead weight
They chose to wait/get help
#2 Cops should NOT be Liable for peoples actions
I would also Add
That water was not so awful, cold would be the worst thing
I can only guess, but I assume the Father Fell off those cliffs and that they ran down to the Beach in an attempt get him/ get help
So they are in a way, guilty of self preservation and lacking critical thinking
If Dad was washing South/West from those cliffs to the Beach... They needed to, if they wanted to save dad... Not run to the beach, but rather run
West further out along the cliffs and jump in at any loc, or climb down, further out than dad and intercept him by swimming into the Beach from a
vantage point of being further out, away from rocks where water was deeper and they could jump in... not in along the beach (the safer route down to
the water while dad was washed further out to see)
Probably stood a good chance, if one brother stayed on the rocks, to be able to see both of intercepting dad while swing into shore with enough time
to not get Hypothermia and cramp up...
Cops were correct, from beach and length of time Dad must have been in water... time factor, swimming Out as Dad was receding and already further out,
from Beach and returning with dead weight dad would have been next to impossible and they would have died.
If they immediately went in from a greater distance to sea, perhaps only dragged dad onto rocks albeit... getting some bruises, they could have pulled
off a rescue
(easier to see that from afar...I know)
But what the sons did... was PANIC, seek help, waste time...
Sadly from what I see, given calm critical thinking they could have maybe saved Dad...
1/4 to a Half Mile swim from shore and back given 5-10 minutes of Dad in water minimum, they would have died too.... Cops were correct to not let them
in. AND couldn't have stopped them if they didn't waste time.
Hypothermia sets in fast, particularly if your not good with cold...
I feel, I could pull that off at those temps, this time of year in that water IF, I moved instantly...
That however would take Balls
The kind of Balls where yo... Jump off a Cliff, and do so while scanning the water, looking for the right spot and do it Fast... and convey and
communicate the plan effectively in under 30 seconds...
Not the kind of Balls where, you Scream at and take your rage out on a Cop 15 minutes later because in the end... you Failed to Act like a Man in a
This is very much the
"Hold Me Back"
Scenario many men engage in when they don't wish to fight
Some guys here know what I mean
If your going to hit a Guy, you keep your mouth shut and DO IT
You don't make allot of noise and draw attention to your self
10-1 odds say... If the cops let them go they waded out 10 feet, maybe swam a few feet and came back Crying saying "I can't do it"
Because if they had the Balls and the Will and weren't AFRAID, they would have gone in from the cliff after Dad
and I Surfed for years, first growing up in NY, LI/Jersey Shore, then for a few years in California Later on...
I've been in the Ocean in NY during tropical storms, with the Polar Bear club in Winter and in.... this exact climate and environment in Cali in far
The reality... they could have done something, and were afraid to get in the water...
Guy takes his clothes off after cops arrive and makes a scene...
Reality check: he was helpless, didn't know what to do and paralyzed with fear and blamed the cops
I think, if I was up on that Cliff, my pop would be alive... because i'm a nerd Not a tough guy and somewhere in my life: Big Loud jerky Guys picked
on me enough to create a complex by which, I constantly test my manhood lol... Martial Arts, Rappelling, Caves, Surfing, Skiing, I actually... Go out
and do allot of crazy things and know what to do... (not bragging as I say I have a complex lol)
But a Complex from... Dudes like this, that are big jerk offs...
I'm sorry, huge anti police state guy, but those kids dropped the ball and made a huge scene when they did in actuality nothing...
"Hold me back" "hold me back"
Crap or get off the pot Buddy
If you were getting in the water, you'd have gotten in the water long before cops arrived
Cops aren't pressing charges, they didn't beat your arse either and DID save their lives (IF they went in at that TOO LATE moment) But they were NOT
going after Dad... they were too scared
But THEY DROPPED THE BALL
And They need to Live with that