Porn...

reply to post by TONE23


I would imagine the internet is taking a chunk out of your younger customers. Unless you are in a big city, I would imagine the mom and pop porn shop being an endangered species.

I do agree that the shops are protected under the First Amendment, and people should just not shop there if they don't want porn. The market will change as the older customers die out and the others will get in through the internet, either by purchasing it or downloading it.

Originally posted by apaulo
Here is a good list I found from another ex-porn addict, like myself.

What's so bad about pornography?

1)  Pornography feeds lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh, which are never satisfied. 
2)  Pornography sexualizes the viewer's mindset.   

[edit on 15-1-2009 by apaulo]

That's nice. However it is meaningless

Addiction of any kind can cause those same problems.

Porn is great when used in moderation, I watch it once or twice a week, usually with my partner, and we enjoy it alot. If you still think it's the year 1500 and that my private parts should be sewn up until marriage, then please check your daily newspaper sir.

Deny Ignorance.

reply to post by Davood

If you still think it's the year 1500 and that my private parts should be sewn up until marriage, then please check your daily newspaper sir.

Deny Ignorance.

“That's nice. However it is meaningless.”

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

reply to post by apaulo


You receive a epic fail.

Saying that porn is responsible for rape and molesting is like saying that guns are responsible for killing people.

Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

Porn doesn't rape people, PEOPLE RAPE PEOPLE.

However, porn is illegal in some countries. Why don't you go move over to one of those countries?

We are very fourtanate to have porn, because if we didn't there'd be alot more rapeists.

Originally posted by apaulo
reply to post by Davood

 

If you still think it's the year 1500 and that my private parts should be sewn up until marriage, then please check your daily newspaper sir.

Deny Ignorance.

“That's nice. However it is meaningless.”

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

I am glad that you agree that everything you have said is meaningless.

Now to continue agreeing, let us investigate the following:

On TV here in the northern america area, USA and Canada specifically.

There is some strange sort of stigma against sexuality, however killing, cannabalism, racial epithets, and movies/tvshows based on the serial killer being the hero... are perfectly ok.

Also.. have you noticed historically, well before there was mass media.. oh wait, there was always mass media... religion.

What did religion do? Told us sex was bad, and killing was good, as long as they didn't believe in your god, you should kill them !

Guess what? Sexual predators and other perversions existed before TV and before the internet. In fact in ancient Greece, pederasts were just pederasts, and not criminals. I would say that such a thing now just simply wouldn't happen BECAUSE of mass media and communication.

Sex on tv has served to educate alot of people about what is available, vibrators, contraceptives, etc... this is good information. Using a condom isn't going to kill anyone.

However TV shows based on the Mafia, showing how to dismember a body, hide it and clean up the crime scene so that the crime scene investigators get nothing.. that my friend is much worse than seeing two people doing something that is perfectly natural anyways.

Now I will stop there, as all of this is moot since you agree with me.


By the way I was being sarcastic, I know you were trying to "turn it around" on me, because you have 0 logic and evidence available to prove your point; thus resorting to simple negations.. But my friend. You have failed.

reply to post by Davood

…you have 0 logic and evidence available to prove your point; thus resorting to simple negations.. But my friend. You have failed.

Failed? At what? To convince you that porn is bad?

You misunderstand my objective. I have NO DESIRE to convince you or anyone else of anything. It seems that I have to continually remind people posting here that I’m not interested in debating. I REPEAT, NO DESIRE TO…

DEBATE.
v., -bat·ed, -bat·ing, -bates. v.intr.

1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
4. Obsolete. To fight or quarrel.

There are a lot of things I don’t like. Things that I believe contribute to stripping people of their dignity, but I chose to gripe about ONE.

I’m not out to change the world. I not even interested in changing you.

As for ZERO logic or ZERO evidence, you are wrong. I seriously doubt you have looked at the previously posted links, BUT even more than that, I doubt you care.

ONE thing that I do have ZERO of is the desire to continue debating the topic. I am more than bored with it…

I can look back and read the former posts and see that the tone and attitude of my posts were lighthearted, but now I am completely and totally uninterested. Yet, the tone and attitude I see most prevalent in those who appose my RANT, is anger, sarcasm, and contempt. I really don’t know why people are so serious. Why? Just get over it. Who cares what I think! I am a nobody. A ZERO! So what are you so bent out of shape about?

[edit on 24-1-2009 by apaulo]

That is similar to telling me that because I haven't read the bible, I don't know that it is 100% right.

I know that it isn't right because I know that it is a self referencing work of fiction modified 1000s of times by anxious irrationals.

Anyways. enjoy your thread.... this is a forum for venting, so vent!. the year 1501 will be a splendid year for all.

[edit on 24-1-2009 by Davood]

reply to post by Davood



DEBATE.
v., -bat·ed, -bat·ing, -bates. v.intr.

1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
4. Obsolete. To fight or quarrel.

Do you find it a bit odd that some men will treat women as sex objects, and *every* woman treats her body as a series of objects that are under constant observation by themselves. Now, as this goes men treat them as a whole but women slice and dice themselves into series of objects.

Just my point of view, which many will find hard to swallow.

However, if you make porn illegal it will cause massive amounts of income to criminal organizations and will bring entire porn industry to an underground base of operations.

That is something we should not want to happen. It is better to keep it legal and regulate it somehow.

Somebody said once that people make laws because they cannot solve a problem. There may be some truth in that but we cannot however change basics of human behaviour. We just have to live with such patterns and try to make things legal that are impossible to control in the first place.

reply to post by rawsom

*every* woman treats her body as a series of objects that are under constant observation by themselves. Now, as this goes men treat them as a whole but women slice and dice themselves into series of objects.

I don’t totally understand… perhaps you could expound a little more.

However, if you make porn illegal it will cause massive amounts of income to criminal organizations and will bring entire porn industry to an underground base of operations.

I totally agree, and I do know that porn will never be made illegal, but I really believe that it should be harder to access. At the same time, it is our responsibility as parents to teach our children how to respect women, and the value of dignity and character. When you put labels on things or make something taboo, it generates curiosity. When I was a teenager, I wanted to do the things that I was told not to do. Kids need to no more than, “That’s bad!”

reply to post by apaulo


Fact of the matter here is, I believe, that we cannot get access to porn controlled anymore since it is so widely spread all over internet and other media. There have been proposals to do this, such as the .xxx domain, but nothing ever happens.

What I believe is a must and what our problem now is that this widely and easily available porn is a new thing in society, and we just have not learned how to deal with it yet. I agree that there should be a way to limit access to porn for teenagers and yonger children, but I just don't know how that could be done.

As with porn, violent media also causes crimes but there simply is now way to prevent it from spreading. That, my friend, is the cost of free speech. I support free speech and also accept that some crimes will happen because of it. I just don't want the opposite to ever materialize itself in the country I live in. Only option to prevent crime here is to teach and educate children.

It also happens to be that if a man cannot behave, he won't get any women for himself. That'll teach him respect and better behavioral patterns. If not, then his parents should have educated him better. So, target parents instead of children.

It's impossible to illegalize porn, cough cough THE INTERNET

Originally posted by apaulo
reply to post by rawsom

 

*every* woman treats her body as a series of objects that are under constant observation by themselves. Now, as this goes men treat them as a whole but women slice and dice themselves into series of objects.

I don’t totally understand… perhaps you could expound a little more.

breasts, butt, legs, hands, hair, lips, eyebrows and so on. Is it a bit big, too small, too long, just fine, excellent... different makeups for different objects. Got it?

reply to post by rawsom

…target parents instead of children.

Totally agree there, too. The problem we face in today’s society though is the major shift of confidence away from a moral compass. What direction is north?

“Who cares, do whatever seems right.”

If we played football or any other sport that way; with no solid rules, it would be a real mess.

You just be your own moral compass… define morality for yourself. There is no spiritual dictionary or compass. There’s no God or consequences for your behavior unless the law of the land decides it‘s wrong, and if you want to break that law, all you have to worry about is getting caught.

But as I’ve said before, I’m not out to try and change the world. If people aren’t already looking to improve their spiritual condition, nobody can make them.

*every* woman treats her body as a series of objects…

...expound a little more.

… Is it a bit big, too small, too long, just fine, excellent... different makeups for different objects. Got it?

okay… this is “odd”, but I think it is our fault as men. We (in general) are the ones who think women are more valuable based on their physical characteristics, so it has made many of them very self-conscious. In my observation with women I have found that they’re their own best critic, even the most beautiful ones. I think its sad.
Honestly, my wife is probably the only woman I know that isn’t this way… thank goodness!

Originally posted by apaulo
reply to post by rawsom

 

… Is it a bit big, too small, too long, just fine, excellent... different makeups for different objects. Got it?

okay… this is “odd”, but I think it is our fault as men. We (in general) are the ones who think women are more valuable based on their physical characteristics, so it has made many of them very self-conscious. In my observation with women I have found that they’re their own best critic, even the most beautiful ones. I think its sad.

Propably, but there is a catch in this one as well. When we first meet a person, all that we do know about them is their outlook and that's it. So, since you have only a single value you can base your judgement upon, you use that value (outlook) to do that judgement. Some of us are smart enough to not do it at that point, but most simply aren't either educated or smart enough for that. Its just how it is, and education will help up a bit. Its just logic, although I find it odd to base judgements on outlook alone. I can understand why, though, as I mentioned above.

Honestly, my wife is probably the only woman I know that isn’t this way… thank goodness!

Congratulations. Honestly, I'd want to find a woman like that from somewhere, if they do exist.

Originally posted by apaulo
If people aren’t already looking to improve their spiritual condition, nobody can make them.

Porn does not devalue anyone's spiritual condition. In fact, it's the ignorance of demonizing anything that has to do with sex that causes a lot of the sexual deviancy problems that happen in society. When you make something taboo, it only causes desire for that thing.

reply to post by rawsom




"Honestly, my wife is probably the only woman I know that isn’t this way… thank goodness!"

Congratulations. Honestly, I'd want to find a woman like that from somewhere, if they do exist.

It took a long time to find her… defiantly worth the wait though.

I just noticed you’re in Finland. I’m not familiar with the culture there, but I’ve always theorized that the stronger influence Hollywood, (entertainment industry) has, the more self-conscious the women are. What do you think? Do you see the same thing?

reply to post by TasteTheMagick

Porn does not devalue anyone's spiritual condition.

When it comes to spiritual matters, TTM, what is your absolute? Who or what do you respect as being the spiritual authority in life? If we were to disagree concerning the meaning of a word, we would go to the dictionary, but where do you go concerning spiritual matters?

…demonizing anything that has to do with sex that causes a lot of the sexual deviancy problems that happen in society. When you make something taboo, it only causes desire for that thing.

Sounds familiar…

Post By apaulo
When you put labels on things or make something taboo, it generates curiosity. When I was a teenager, I wanted to do the things that I was told not to do. Kids need to no more than, “That’s bad!”

The same could be said about drinking and drugs. It doesn’t mean these things are NOT bad, but the emphasis needs to be placed on the results; the outcome of such decisions. IAW, educated.

I cannot believe some still think Porn and media cause the crimes. It is the individual. I watch Porn and violent movies...why haven't I killed yet? Why hasn't the vast majority of viewers killed or raped after watching these images?

It is the person's fault...not porn or violent media

What a victimization it is to say I can blame anything for my issues like that

I'm sorry...but from now on...this nasty tendinitis I have in my wrist is my pen's fault...

I am not trying to insult anyone...I just can't stand that

-Kyo

Originally posted by apaulo
reply to post by rawsom

 

I just noticed you’re in Finland. I’m not familiar with the culture there, but I’ve always theorized that the stronger influence Hollywood, (entertainment industry) has, the more self-conscious the women are. What do you think? Do you see the same thing?

Yes, but I just use term entertainment industry, although I admit Hollywood is a synonym for it :-) Its not that industry alone, it is the values that this industry spread all over that women follow. Not all here follow such values, a lot of women are conscious of attempts to manipulate them into believing that they should be this and that.

Basically this means that we have school classes that are mandatory for every one, which teach you how media manipulates you into believing these values.


In our country it is the goverment that does the job of criticizing spread of values that are impossible to follow for most women. This is because great majority of women simply do not have a body structure (biologically) that would allow to achieve a beauty represented by entertainment industry.

I believe that there should be a way to limit exposure of too young women to this industry, but there isn't a way. Only way again is to educate parents and children. We already do that, and entertainment industry gets much of the blame for depression of young women. I believe we are doing it right.

[edit on 27/1/09 by rawsom]