reply to post by bronco73
That might be the loosest, most incomplete definition of Christianity I've ever seen.
The OP question is ridiculous because Lucifer wasn't a human being made in God's image. Jesus came to save man, not to save angels. While it may
be true that the modern concept of Satan is one which is rooted in New Testament teachings, the concept of Lucifer and his fall from Heaven after
being driven out by the archangels is Old Testament, Judaic teaching.
It fails miserably to try to analyze Christianity or the devil using scientific or even logical arguments. I realize by saying that I'm almost
assured that some thin minded individual who feels threatened by people following CHrist will wade in here and hoot and holler like an ape while
pointing at the fact that I just admitted that there isn't a scientific or logical basis by which I believe in Christ. Unfortunately, those who do
that fail to grasp one very tiny fact... we're not God, nor do we know what God knows. Imagine, if you will, God is a remarkable scholar with a pHd
in every subject. (not trying to blaspheme here, so please take no offense. Just making a very rudimentary and childish comparison) now we come in,
a group of retarded kindergarteners. There is no possible way that we could even pretend to understand even a miniscule fraction of what God knows
and what He is.
I think this same form of reasoning can be applied to not just the angels, but even to our own ancestors from the days of the Old Testament.
Somewhere along the line we've forgotten too much and strayed too far. As a result we've managed to waste a ridiculous amount of our time
postulating inane questions like "If God is omnipotent, can He create a stone so massive not even He can move it?" I do not know the answer to that
question, but I do know one thing, you do not have to believe in God for God to continue existing... but you better believe that you're in world of
hurt if God was to ever stop belieiving that you exist.
As far as the nature of Satan goes, it's a matter of jealousy. The angels spent their time in the presence of and worshipping God. They saw their
reward daily. Then God created man and man was under a different pretense than the angels were. Some of the angels, lead by Lucifer, percieved a
snub in the fact that man had not only free will, but also had a tangible reward at the end of their mortal lives. It was quite shortsighted, if you
really think about it. It would be like living your life as an extremely wealthy man and then being jealous of a homeless man who wins the lottery on
his last day of life. There is no way for any of us to know why Lucifer rebelled or why he felt that hatred of mankind was worth throwing away his
place in the presence of God. It is even more mysterious that he knew from the beginning that he can never directly prevail against God, so why would
he even attempt it? (an even bigger question, which very much involves what I said earlier about how unadvanced our thought is compared to God's
surrounds the fact that God knew Lucifer would turn on him before there even was a Lucifer... He knew man would stumble and fall... He knew we'd
commit acts that would cause Him great suffering inside and hurt Him, yet He still created us and gave us free will despite that.)
Any attempt to position Christ and Satan as brothers or as equal opposites is ridiculous. Christ was before mankind ever was created. Jesus was (and
is) the Living Word. He is a part of the Triunal God. I suppose in that regard there would be no Satan if there was no Christ, because He created
them all. As for the "lesser demons listen to Jesus" please. Jesus is not a demon. Jesus is God, as such all creation listens to Him. Free will
allows us to make our own decisions, but our souls listen to Him when He speaks. Demons do not have free will.