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Originally posted by danx
Originally posted by AceWombat04
With that said, if the constitution states, "natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States," (emphasis added) then isn't it even more moot than just not defining what "natural born" means? Since it says, "or a Citizen of the United States," making a distinction between "natural born citizen" and the latter, doesn't that eliminate the necessity of being a "natural born citizen" regardless?
It says "or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"
The "or citizen" part is regarding people who hadn't been born in the US, but were much involved in politics. You have to remember that some of the Founding Fathers were born in Europe, and others were born in "United States" when it was "British America".
Originally posted by AceWombat04
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it. So that part was (we must infer) intended for those citizens not necessarily born in America, but involved in its founding, politics, and creation. That would seem to verify the belief that "natural born citizen" means a citizen born in the United States, as the latter is distinguished from it explicitly.
(I'm not saying I agree with it, just so everyone knows, but merely that that's what it appears to mean, lack of SCOTUS ruling notwithstanding.)
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
Originally posted by bosco8161
Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States
And again, I'm not saying he's not an American Citizen, but if he is not the rule of law applies.
Originally posted by TKainZero
One could not attend schools in indonesia, UNLESS they were an indonesian citizen...
And, you COULD NOT BE AN INDONEASIAN citizen, IF you had any other citezenship...
So... either BO gave up his citizenship, when his mother 2nd husband adopted him...
OR, he was an illigal alien living under a false name in Indonesia...
His best case to make is that he broke no US laws... but only Indoneasian Law...
So, he IS an international Criminal, wanted in Indonesia...
Can he supercede the Law with the Clinton Media Machine behind him??? He has so far....and only time will tell
Originally posted by avingard
Actually that does not rule out McCain. U.S. bases are U.S. territory.
I'm not a supporter of the 'Obama can't be president' crowd. I think he's legit. But if you're going to argue, know what you're talking about.
Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Ummmm....I'm a little confused.
We have ATS members, who by the nature of the anonymity of the Internets ("It's a series of tubes!!!")....[a quote from disgraced Senator Ted Stevens (R), AK]...claim to be be Constitutional 'experts'.
Why, oh why do a handful of people on an interent site know more than thousands and thousands of professionals that have already 'vetted' this issue???
Originally posted by Kailassa
You need to do a bit more studying. The change Coven referred to was thoroughly grandfathered in. There is absolutely no doubt that Obama was born an American citizen.
Justia> Law> US Law> US Code> TITLE 8 — ALIENS AND NATIONALITY>
CHAPTER 12 — IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY>
SUBCHAPTER III — NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION>
PART I — NATIONALITY AT BIRTH AND COLLECTIVE NATURALIZATION> § 1409. —
Children born out of wedlock.
- (c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
Originally posted by arizonascott
"at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"
At the time of the signing of this section and article, only the foreign born American people "at that time" were given amnesty from this Contitutional law.
Not after the fact. From that point on, the law was and is in effect
These people want to blur the line of its Constitutional value as to set up foreign born people like - Arnold - so they can eventually run.