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Police officers investigated after assault of Mark Aspinall caught on CCTV

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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 05:36 AM
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For those that believe this is acceptable behaviour, from police officers, please just stop and think! What if this was you, your son, your dad, your best friend - would you still think it was acceptable? Things are often acceptable to people until it happens to them, or someone they know, and then they're usually the ones screaming the loudest about their rights, etc, etc.

I am absolutely horrified that anyone thinks this is acceptable. If the police do not know how to arrest someone using reasonable restraint then they shouldn't qualify for the job - simple. There's enough violence without the police joining in, thank you.

As I said in my earlier post - if my son is lippy I do not punch him or rub his face on the ground. If I did, I'd expect him to be taken away and me to be labelled an unfit mother and to also be prosecuted. I have no training to be a mother but somehow through the years I've managed to deal with my son's lippy episodes without resorting to violence. Are you saying that because ploice officers wear a badge, they're entitled to use violence?

You can't watch a video and assume the guy was guilty of anything - that's not even for the police to decide, it's for a court of law to decide. Maybe the judge would watch the video and decide he was guilty of a crime but it's not my call, your call of the police officer's call.

Many years ago, when I was just 18, I was attacked in the street by a British soldier simply because I wouldn't dance with him - I wasn't rude to him but even if I had been I didn't deserve the headbut and kicks to my body that he inflicted outside the bar, where he was waiting for me. Do you know the first thing the police asked when they interviewed me, at my home, the next day? What was I wearing?

He changed his plea to guilty on the day we were due in court but until that time I had constant calls from the police trying to get me to drop charges. He was charged with grievious bodily harm and fined!! He was ordered to pay me £100 in compensation which was never received. He was then handed over to the military police to deal with - 30 days in Colchester military prison. Guess what, he got out and did it again to his girlfriend's mum - he beat her with a wooden rolling pin. Nice guy huh?

I suppose you'd think if the police beat him then he'd deserve it? I don't believe they should have that power - even though the court let me down by only fining him it wouldn't have given me any peace of mind to know that the police had roughed him up. When we allow the police to start doing that then a line is crossed and there's no turning back. That scares the hell out of me a lot more than the squaddie that attacked me!



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 06:15 AM
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There is NO NEED for this.

When younger I worked at the extreme end of Violent Behaviour clients with Psychiatric Problems and Learning/Difficulties.

Many of those clients were escorted on a 2 staff to one client basis when in the community at all times.

Sometimes some clients would display aggression to the staff up to 30-40 times a day, spitting, punching, biting kicking etc....

Just Two people properly trained can Restrain WITH NO VIOLENCE towards someone (as long as no weapon) very quickly and safely, calmly. NO MATTER what level of violence they are displaying

I have done this many times with many clients, and one in particular was like a bear and had a very violent nature and had no ability to communicate / understand properly any VERBAL FIRST attempts to control the situation.

I have removed him with a colleuge from the middle of the road to the pavement and had him restrained within about 10 seconds, in such a way that NO violence was shown to him, he was safe, unable to move in an agressive way towards me and my collegues, do any harm to himself or others.

If you are trained properly then the person becomes burnt out from trying to fight the restraint, and calms down then with no energy left.

No need for face down either, No need for handcuffs.

Maybe One bruise on him at most just from holding his arms, leg, trunk and head in a certain way that disables ALL movement, and caused by there fighting against this, the attempt to break free and wriggle.

Sick Sick, the police officers should go to prison for GBH, Conspiracy to endanger life, and also never practise as police officers again.

The One rubbing his face on the tarmack, and punching him in the back was just a "Special" that is, voluntary "Weekend" bully, why didnt the normal police arrest him??

Lock them up they are no different to the thugs on the street.

Elf

[edit on 1-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 06:27 AM
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The police even tazer sheep in Wales!
yep a largely rural place with lots of these, non aggressive, herbivores (the sheep) where you'd think a rozzer would know how to deal with a situation like a sheep holding up traffic (phone a farmer if in doubt).

no, some loser had to tazer a defenceless,harmless animal - pathetic.
Waste of tax payers money in my opinion. who trains these people now? Robocop



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 06:47 AM
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The coppers are lucky the squaddie wasn't with his mates, the coppers would have recieved a good pasting and wouldn't have been able to do any thing about it, knowing that if they arrested the squaddies the army would just let them off with out a charge...



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 07:28 AM
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no they certainly wouldn't, they would have been hauled up in front of a military court and sent packing after a nice month at the glasshouse in colchester



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 07:52 AM
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Geez not exactly a gorey video, but it was hard to watch. These cops don't have any respect for their fellow man, this beating was unprovoked regardless of how drunk someone is. Last time I checked being drunk wasn't a crime and the free speach law would allow you to say whatever you wanted. But in this day in age this is what happens from the abuse of power. I'm just happy I wasn't on location, I would have been sent to jail with this guy for trying to help him with these cops.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by onetruesaxon
reply to post by SKUNK2
 


no they certainly wouldn't, they would have been hauled up in front of a military court and sent packing after a nice month at the glasshouse in colchester


No, maybe on their 3rd offence they "might" get a week in jail, the reality is squaddies get away with anti-social behaviour, The army values it's soldiers so much they pretty much do any thing they can to get the soldier of scot-free...



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by Man_Versus_AntiMan

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Have you seen the latest crimes figures and the arrest rates, they are a disgrace. The police in the UK have an appaling record of brutality, murder and racism yet nothing is done to stop this trend.


Im sure theyd rather be after rapists and murderers than drunken slags pissing in the streets and squaddies smashing the place up.

I dont like the police, i dont like the mind set of people who want to join the police, and i dont like the stormtrooper attitude they display on occasion. Having said that, the many dealings ive had with police has shown me that if you give respect to them they will give it back, that is not to say 'praising their authority', but just treating them as you would any normal person.

Frankly if i got the amount of abuse they do i may be tempted to a bit of brutality myself.


Dude if I did what was just shown on the camera in the exact same situation then not only would I be fired on the spot so would every person involved along with my supervisor. If you can't take lip then you have no business doing it for a living period. Oh the state would be sued for millions also and would lose.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:17 AM
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What the film doesnt show is the main Police man then procedes to hit the squaddie in the face at least 3 times with his (Carry On, Sid James style laugh)..helmet. Direct blows to a chap who is lying on the floor with a hardened helmet.

You will see it in the near future though.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Lokey13
reply to post by magicmushroom
 

Last time I checked being drunk wasn't a crime and the free speach law would allow you to say whatever you wanted. But in this day in age this is what happens from the abuse of power. I'm just happy I wasn't on location, I would have been sent to jail with this guy for trying to help him with these cops.


I should remind you that this actually happened in Lancashire, England. How familiar are you with British laws?

Now whilst I think the police were really in the wrong here and way over the top, there may have been grounds for drunk and disorderly or something under the Public Order Act depending on what Aspinall actually said to the Police. Unfortunately, neither you nor I actually know for certain what was said. I'm not sure about your "free speach law" but it really doesn't stretch to saying whatever you want to the Police whilst you're drunk in Britain.

Also, just in case it's not been mentioned in this thread - or I missed it - one of those involved, the man who banged Aspinall's head on the floor wasn't even a copper as such, he was a 'special constable' or, as they get called round our way: a 'hobby bobby'.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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To be pedantic its actually Greater Manchester Police, as although it geographically is in Lancashire of Old, Wigan is under the Metopolitan area of Greater Manchester.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by patton
To be pedantic its actually Greater Manchester Police, as although it geographically is in Lancashire of Old, Wigan is under the Metopolitan area of Greater Manchester.


Well, it's not as if I was suggesting that Wigan somehow had it's own special police and laws!

For the record, I live only a few minutes walk from the brand new GMP headquarters and use Lancashire as my address, not Greater Manchester. I don't even have an 'M' postcode so I don't see the point. It's the same with 'SK' postcodes; everyone I ever known refers to it as Cheshire, not Greater Manchester. Maybe if I moved a few miles westward, I might think differently.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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I live in Leigh which is 'occupied' by Wigan Borough, and whilst they dont have their own laws, they do have some very strange people in Wigan


..although 'strange' is a semantic argument..discuss



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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Just out of curiosity,are you really a master mason?

Because as far as i know,no members are allowed to reveal who they are to non members.

Are the rules different in America?


Sorry for going off topic.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 12:34 PM
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Who's a master mason?



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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there a disgrace for their behaviour and should be put behind in bars, i just wish they were as quick as that when they are called to your house to stop someone breaking in, its one rule for them and sod the rest, there lucky there wasnt a a gang of squaddies with him or they would have gotten a right kicking but then the 3 cops wouldnt take on more than 2 people incase they got hurt...lol



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 02:49 PM
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this video has been edited somewhat. also, the narration is somewhat biased against the police.

The sudden 'un-warrented' action of the cops 'running' towards the guy is cut - you can see the people on the background jump further along the road.

If this guy was shouting and swearing and being drunk - he falls foul of a couple of laws including a public order offence.

The guy runs, then the police chase - prob when he was told he would be arrested.

The face rubbing scene has been edited (I don't condone the action - just point out that he might have been doing something to cause that reaction).

The narration says he recieved a boot in the face for biting the officer - this is a lie - it isn''t in the clip.

the punching is a home office approved technique for getting someone to cooperate.

Don't condone any of the negative bits of the video like head banging and face rubbing - but context is everything and the context for this video has been altered.

Evidently, the courts saw the original cut as a jury convicted him!

M



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 08:01 PM
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too much power in the hands of authority... see what this brings?





brilliant footage. cheers!





"speak quietly but carry a big stick" taft right?



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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No I'm not familair with English law, and if this is acceptable behavior as part of English law then I suppose I'd be called a terrorist there. Absolutely no reason for this beating, how bout you get drunk call me a bunch of names then I grind your head into the pavement; sound good? Well by what your saying that would be acceptable behavior.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by Lokey13]



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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b.cause it feels good.




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