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The New Nostradamus

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posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 09:46 PM
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I don't know how many of you watch the History Channel, but I've seen commercials for this show called The New Nostradamus. This guy, Dr. Bruce Bueno de Mosquita, says he has found a way to predict the future through mathematics. Does anyone know more about this guy? Here's a few links:
History Channel Website (about the show)


Goodmagazine


It's pretty interesting, I don't think there's anyway to say he's lying or making educated guesses.



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 10:15 PM
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Bruce Bueno de Mesquita is a political scientist;
Chair of the Department of Politics, New York University
Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

www.globechange.org...


Scientific Prediction and the Human Condition
proposing an inter-disciplinary conference, hopefully to be disseminated as an edited volume on prediction of the human condition, with focus on predicting several inter-related variables: *(2005)

•Global Shifts In Material Standard of Living, including economic, social, health, and environmental well-being, and Sustainable Development
•Spread of Free Society/Democracy
•Decline, Spread, or Altered Distribution of War
•Evolving Patterns of Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing, and other Mass Political Killings
•Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
Our interest is in global modeling


Predictive Methods
...4. Intuition may also work as input into a mathematical model for forecasting. While Jensen shows you can just forecast with area specialists' raw opinions, Bruce Bueno de Mesquita (1985) uses these intuitions as a basis of a rational choice type forecasting model.



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 12:48 AM
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(this post was a mistake sorry)

[edit on 29-11-2008 by science lol]



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 01:06 AM
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Very interesting and I will add it to my DVR to check out. I can't find a very good link about his future predictions just the ones he got correct....

I find his list of people that listens to him very interesting.

Star and flag for you!



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 01:33 AM
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This guy, Dr. Bruce Bueno de Mosquita, says he has found a way to predict the future through mathematics.

If he could truly do that, you wouldn't be hearing from him.
As he would be so very very rich working for hedge funds making quadrillion's of dollars per year.
Perhaps he can through modeling, assess and insinuate how things might be at a later time.
He can not predict the future.



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 02:10 AM
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From the brief googling and podcasts I have now listed to I would say this guy doesn't need to worry about money. Not that I know 100% but my mathematical crystal ball says you don't talk the people he talks to without some cash or major influence.

Examples:

CIA
DOJ
Condoleezza Rice- Helped him write a book.

I also found some billionaires listed in articles with him along with all the big schools.

If you can provide me something that shows otherwise I will gladly do the reading



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 03:31 AM
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There is a group of guys doing much the same over at the web bot project -

We have friends who have developed a groundbreaking predictive technology which we simply call "web bot" technology developed by Cliff of www.halfpasthuman.com. The technology, which samples large portions of the public internet with an eye toward "sensing the future" based on subtle changes in language, seems to have given indications before-the-fact of a large number of major news events, including but not limited to our reports before the fact on things like:

· 911

· Sumatra

· New Orleans Katrina/Rita

· Cheney and his "accident"

· Sex Scandal just coming out

· Bushco and escalating disclosures

· Degrading of Iraqi's and Iraqi youth rebellion against US

· Silver exploding, followed by Gold

· Pakistan earthquake

· Climate change (the life-changing event)

· The multiple extraordinary hurricanes (with another season coming like the last)

· The increasing unpopularity of the Bush Administration leading up to the inevitable meltdown

· Space Shuttle explosion

· The unfolding disaster in Iraq

· Commodity shortages with more coming this summer (2006)

· Emerging and ongoing, oil price increases



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 03:42 AM
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ugh more crap with math?

why dont we just bust out the drake equation while were at it? Anything proved by math is not real and is just much fantasy as a minotaur or a unicorn. Math never proves anything all it does is conceptual not theoretical and practical. As a tool and a life skill it is one of the least used in all of human history. I never heard of one american auto company being run by some socially awkward loony toon from MIT. thing is engineers make the least in professional fields but work the hardest it seems from experience. I mean their in school as long as the marketing and video communication majors but they dont make the big money or go ot any parties I have ever been to.



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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Interesting, and thanks.

I may contact him to see how the model works and see if it can be applied to individual decision making (I'm looking into models for my research.)



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by tigpoppa
. I never heard of one american auto company being run by some socially awkward loony toon from MIT.

You surely share your opinion with the US automakers run by uneducated bunch of CEOs who now beg the Congress to give them cash to keep their failed business afloat.

The Congress said that it couldn't possibly give GM so much money -- $2.5 trillion as a bailout was out of question. So GM execs hired an MIT graduate -- a mathematician -- to show them how to properly enumerate the bailout amount they requested: $25,000,000,000.

[edit on 11/29/2008 by stander]



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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It's really a shame that there is not more on this guy's predictions. He sounds very legit and admits that he enters data to a timeline and the most logical solution comes from the model. He has said that he knew who would win the US presidency in 2008, but did not want to interfere with our democracy.



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
This guy, Dr. Bruce Bueno de Mosquita, says he has found a way to predict the future through mathematics.

If he could truly do that, you wouldn't be hearing from him.
As he would be so very very rich working for hedge funds making quadrillion's of dollars per year.
Perhaps he can through modeling, assess and insinuate how things might be at a later time.
He can not predict the future.


Cavey are you a troll?

Very negative comments on all posts?

The last two lines of your post above too contradict each other, having an issue cognitive dissonance?

Look at his credentials, do you even understand what he would earn anyhow?

His ego anyhow is not driven at that level just by money but by his reputation, so he wouldn't say this without thinking deeply at the consequences and certainly wouldn't be wasting his time working it out if there was no results to support his initial interest.

Have you again made a comment on a thread without reading and looking at the OP source.

From watching the source what evidence do you have to say he cant do what he shows?

Ps also People who are very interested in the Mystical or things of this nature believe in a higher sort of plan, and money may not be his only motivation.

Have you checked his life enough to know he is not born into a extremely rich family anyhow and his PASSION is his academic work?


Tsssk
Elf

[edit on 29-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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I'm with you on your post! it seems like he is just trying to piss people off most the time.


On a side note! I thought this was on tonight but I can't find it in my tv listings!



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 09:06 PM
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It doesn't make any sense that the future can be predicted by math because it's always changing paths, like fluid, and math is a solid.



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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If you listen to Bruce Bueno de Mesquita, and a lot of people don’t, he’ll claim that mathematics can tell you the future. In fact, the professor says that a computer model he built and has perfected over the last 25 years can predict the outcome of virtually any international conflict, provided the basic input is accurate


www.goodmagazine.com...


Whose to say its accurate? I dont know much about this guys method but it sounds to me to be a timeline based rehash of webot or web scraping. I find it quite amusing that someone created a program to scan the net for key words and phrases to help predict market futures is being used as a way to "predict" the future..... It obviously worked really well for the financial crisis we are having now....


Web scraping (sometimes called harvesting) generically describes any of various means to extract content from a website over HTTP for the purpose of transforming that content into another format suitable for use in another context. Those who scrape websites may wish to store the information in their own databases or manipulate the data within a spreadsheet (Often, spreadsheets are only able to contain a fraction of the data scraped). Others may utilize data extraction techniques as means of obtaining the most recent data possible, particularly when working with information subject to frequent changes. Investors analyzing stock prices, realtors researching home listings, meteorologists studying weather, or insurance salespeople following insurance prices are a few individuals who might fit this category of users of frequently updated data.

Access to certain information may also provide users with strategic advantage in business. Attorneys might wish to scrape arrest records from county courthouses in search of potential clients. Businesses that know the locations of competitors can make better decisions about where to focus further growth. Another common, but controversial use of information taken from websites is reposting scraped data to other sites.



I just don't seem to understand how this is in any way making any predicitons. If you write a program to skim the net for specific phrases, words, dates, of course you are going to get predictions that match all the doom and gloom in the world because that is what people are talking about. Its not predicting the future only reading the collective consious of the worlds web users.


The Web Bot Project, developed in the late 1990’s, was
created to assist in making stock market predictions.

The technology uses a system of spiders to crawl the Internet
and search for keywords, much like a search engine does.
When a keyword is located, the bot program takes a
snapshot of the text preceding and following the keyword.
This snapshot of text is sent to a central location where it is
then filtered to define meaning.

The projects concept is aimed at tapping into the “collective
unconscious” of the universe and it’s inhabitants. As well,
there is an interesting time concept involved and an unusual
concept of a “tipping point” regarding the past, current, and
future times. It goes a bit deeper than viewing what those of
us on the Internet are saying


www.2012supplies.com...

I may be wrong and his technology for this may be different, but still predicting the future is for now imho beyond human capacity. It may turn out that our brains are capable of seeing the future aswell as the past (for those who believe time can be cyclic, then we should be able to "remember" the future aswell).


"FUTURE MEMORY" is about people who "live" the future before it physically manifests, and remember having done so. This pre-living is so totally real and utterly involved that there is no way to tell the difference between present time and future time while the phenomenon is in progress. Sensory rich, Future Memory suggests that the future can somehow overlay the present, enabling an individual to "rehearse" or prepare in advance for what is about to happen in life. Mistakenly termed "flash forwards" by some researchers, Atwater shows how future memory differs from other modes of futuristic awareness such as clairvoyance, precognition, and deja vu.


www.cinemind.com...


But there is another group, unlike the seers of old, who speak of being able to live the future before it physically occurs.

Countless people have described such an episode to me, whereby what could not possibly have been known about in advance later manifested. . . exactly as Prelived. After years of investigation, I have come to call this "the future memory phenomenon" - a distinctive experience quite apart from the modes of futuristic awareness most of us are more familiar with.

To clarify what I mean, here is a brief sampling of the ways most people use to access information about the future: prophesying - to predict in advance, depends on interpretation of subtle impressions and emotional promptings; precognition - to know in advance, refers to futuristic knowledge suddenly known without prior prompting; clairvoyance - to see beyond sight, witness the future happen as if an observer to the event; clairaudience - to hear beyond sound, listen to messages about futuristic events.

In the mid-eighties, several researchers of near-death states noticed that some near-death survivors could tap into the future in what seemed to be a new way. "Flash forwards" was the phrase coined to describe this supposedly "rare" ability. Yet, in my own research of the near-death phenomenon, a research project that has spanned nearly two decades and covered over 3,000 interviews of near-death survivors (700 of them indepth), I have found the "anomaly" of remembering future events already lived typical of the aftereffects. I described this ability in both my previous books, "COMING BACK TO LIFE" and "BEYOND THE LIGHT." Concurrent with that effort, I interviewed hundreds of non-experiencers to test how widespread future memory might be. The results so amazed me, how anyone could "physically" live a future yet to manifest, that I wrote "FUTURE MEMORY: HOW THOSE WHO 'SEE THE FUTURE' SHED NEW LIGHT ON THE WORKINGS OF THE HUMAN MIND."


www.cinemind.com...

The future may be out there the question is really how to see it....




[edit on 29-11-2008 by constantwonder]



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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When I first heard about him I heard that he used elements from the past and then he puts it into his "equation." I don't think he's predicting as much as using logical outcomes and such.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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I'm familiar with Terrence McKenna who used the I-Ching to develop the novelty theory. It's not a specific predicition system, rather a system understand fluctuations in novelty (exposure to something new).

Novelty Theory info from Wikipedia

imho, i'm pretty skeptical about anyone predicting the future, which this is not really, but there are very interesting synchronicities occurring. It is directly related to 2012 (from the Mayan perspective of time and history).

If your bored it makes for interesting reading.

Corewalker



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by 7H3Y 4R3 C0M1N6
When I first heard about him I heard that he used elements from the past and then he puts it into his "equation." I don't think he's predicting as much as using logical outcomes and such.


That is how Nostrodamus worked,

He used the "Janus" effect and scrying/mediumship.

With the Janus part he would look at time in the past say when a Roman Emperor fell, or a war happened the Astrological chart of the person, and skies at the time in real depth.

Then work out when in the future similar events in the astrology would occur of nations, people and time to make his predictions, with also some Scrying into a bowl of water and other such alchemistic methods of divination.

Elf



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 08:02 PM
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He is on tonight, right now for the east coast USA - KWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 09:25 PM
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Have we ben reduced to the silliness of following the revelations of fallible man ? All the revelations on the state of man in general have already been prophecied (not predicted).We are admonished not to give
heed to astrological or other means of foretelling our fate. The scriptures are very clear on this. Think about it. Who rules the powers of the air? Who is able to conjure up in sinful man the ability to predict signs and wonders?To understand how nonsenical these so-called predictions are, why is it that God, the supreme revelator, is always left out of the picture? How can there be, for example, a nuclear confrontation in the Middle east when such a consequence would destroy Jerusalem? This is God's City and is protected by His own Spirit. It will still be standing when the Son of God returns to enter the new temple now being planned.All that is presently happening in the world has already been foretold by Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ of God. The references are found in the New Covenant scriptures: wars and rumors of war, great distress of nations, famines and floods, eartquakes, etc. Additionally, the fact that violence will be great in the earth.All these things preceding the entrance of the Man of Sin (Anti-Christ).Massive world destruction would alter the prophecies yet to be fulfilled. And the sure Word of God would be in jeopardy! No, he is the governor of all nations and has His own agenda which man cannot interfere with!




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