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Originally posted by SuperSpark
reply to post by semperfortis
Ok, I simply and honestly disagree with the notion that the originator is truly experiencing a union with an alien consciousness or enlightenment.
By my own experience I believe there are many factors at work, not meaning in all cases madness, but that may very well be the result of these factors if not properly dealt with.
Let's say for example the one is confronted with the Tree Of Knowledge. Let's take a bite. If we are confronted with knowledge or power beyond our paradigm's ability to assimilate, might we stare in the face of madness?
Absolute knowledge or power does corrupt absolutely. What kind of Grace is required to counter such an overload of our paradigms? For my part it eludes me. And to play the Devil's Advocate, it eludes anyone who might post any threatening or demeaning post (if such a one would post at all). We must be compassionate to those who take this risk to pursue this path.
So perhaps this thread should evolve into a honest discussion of the barriers of the "Awakening" experience and our shared experiences in overcoming them, the required grace not being the least of which.
All that I know is that I know nothing. -Socrates
Originally posted by pharaohmoan
or alternatively escape it all together!
"Now that a new consciousness appears to be unfolding, as Nunez del Prado tells his students, it is time for all of us who have bathed in the light of this sacred awakening to become tages, joiners of energy fields. It is our task to help awaken our brothers and sisters."
("Return of the Children of Light," Judith Bluestone Polich [shamanism])
Originally posted by pharaohmoan
Not really sure where you want to go with this, this seems a little picky.
So you simulate what you imagine, an imaginary simulation that calculates what is possible, although imaginary in possibility. Simulators extract possibilities by playing out variable within a set time frame, these are known variables. Yours are unkown, improvised and imagined, and any out come in simulation that includes the variables of unknown, improvised and imagined can only be believed to be those in nature. How do you test that? And if you get a result, is it because you have already branched off into a belief inspired by what IS possible and not what IS reality.
Sometimes, I set down possibilities and allow a possible belief to branch from that thought. It’s like working out all possible outcomes within a simulator.
I agree, but innovations like this in science have a solid base from which to leap, people don't imagine or improvise on nothing, there are already established knowns that are the launch pads for these leaps into the next unknown.
I will test the new benchmark or marker to see if it leads to anything further. It’s just one of the methods I am using. Basically where there is no scientific proof one has to take a leap within the mind.
But where do your beliefs come from, what are your beliefs. Go look at your OP. Beliefs do not always equal truth. They are beliefs, so just because your imagination is inspired by a belief makes no difference when your beliefs are improvised from what may be possible. I hope you can see what I mean.
But I wouldn’t solely call it the imagination at work, rather it is the imagination driven by ones beliefs which yields greatest results, is very different to the imagination acting alone.
Sorry about that, I usually go by the standard meaning. You could have included this reference to qualify your use of the word, and who inspired it.
I think you've taken my usage of the word 'retro' out of the context I meant it in. I used the words ‘retro reality‘ to mean a reality that is past its sell by date, is exausted, having already experienced itself and played itself out many time in the many different ways. This is evident everyday, many peoples lives change very little throughout a typical day.
It’s worth reading the whole link and not just what I’ve quoted.
Our consciousness is limited also. It would also be confined in the pattern of a retro reality, we would see our consciousness play the same things out in the same pattern of enslavement that would end at death.
Let's begin with enslavement. We are forced to do many things in ordinary reality: we must eat, drink, sleep, on penalty of death. Also, no matter what we do, we shall eventually, within a fairly predictable time frame, die; we cannot stay alive forever, or even for a couple of hundred years. We can't travel back and forth in time; can't fly to other planets by flapping our arms. The list could go on and on, and I have simply offered limits we are subject to in virtue of the laws of nature.
See the line I highlited. I find this interesting. Imposed is a strong word, is this the consciousness you refer to in the OP. This is very religious in nature. Both you and your source(Iakovos) are hinting at a higher power in control, this is not innovation. The fact that you have inserted "alien consciousness" into the equation only reeks of a replacement for older GOD/S. We are seeing alot more of this in society due to the scientific and technological influence. Matrix is a great example of updating these mythologies in contemporary time.
In other words, compared with some easily imaginable possibilities, we are severely constrained, in a type of bondage, though ordinarily most of us don't think of it as such. Writers, artists, philosophers, and theologians over the centuries have of course been keenly aware of these limitations, examined many forms of human bondage, and offered various types of suggestions as to how to free ourselves. Human beings have longed to "break out" of this reality, to transcend the imposed limitations on their physical being. Moreover, we should be clear that these limitations are imposed on us.
This is wrong. Those who do not wish to die are now cheating death and slowly overcomming the limitations imposed by nature. We do this through knowledge, we are doing this through knowledge, science and medicine. What Iakovos has defined as limitations he accepts as absolute and does not include the Imagined possibility that we can improve on these limitations or even overcome them through knowledge.
We simply find ourselves in this condition, with these rules: we all die within approximately 100 years. It has nothing to do with our voluntary choice, our wishes, or our judgements about what ought to be the case.
Involuntary constraint? I think this is a rather harsh explanation. Iakovos does not ponder weather the ramifications of an individual breaking away from his constraint and what the nature of the breaking would intall, by only referring to the human condition as a confinement established by an order that renders us limited he offers an end to that as a liberation without fully explaining what that liberation entails. It could be a loss of all indentity, a loss of self, it could be a return to the beginning of another enforced confinement or an eternal punishment! It could be any of these and more.
Either way, however, our actual situation is one of involuntary constraint, much akin to the humans' situation in the Matrix, except that it is not at the hands of machines against whom we lost a war, but at the hands of God or "nature".
I have so far drawn out two aspects of the "moral background" of the film: enslavement and deception.
Originally posted by tgidkp
reply to post by SS,Naga
again i ask: is such an experience invalid?
"The world of Don Juan, on the other hand, is a magical world populated with entities and forces.
"The admirability of Don Juan, said Castaneda, is that even though in the world of days he appears to be crazy, nobody is capable of perceiving him. To the world, Don Juan offers a face that is necessarily temporal...one hour, one month, sixty years. Nobody would be able to catch him off guard! In this world Don Juan is impeccable because he always knew that what is here is only momentary and that which comes after...well...a beauty! Don Juan and Don Genaro intensely loved beauty.
"The perception and conception which Don Juan has of reality and time are undoubtably very distinct from ours. If on the level of daily life Don Juan is always impeccable, this doesn't prevent you from knowing that from this side all is definitely fleeting.
"Castaneda continued describing a universe polarized between two extremes: the right side and the left side. The right side would correspond to the tonal and the left side to the wizard."
(Carlos Castaneda, Magical Blend Magazine Interview)
Originally posted by SuperSpark
reply to post by SS,Naga
Now while some hybrids target the OBE scenario specifically, some mushrooms and '___', they are terribly dangerous and still have ALL the bad sides I mention above. '___' and 5-MeO-'___' are quite honestly equivalent to being a small child left in the woods of a cold foreign forest, complete with hungry wolves.